Ordain Women - Mormon women in the priesthood

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they accepted Jesus as The Lord they would also accept the salvation and not preach entrance to heaven is based on earthly good works. They also wouldn't believe that humans can be exalted and gods of their own planets. Well, male humans that is.

I can make a website saying I accept that I am the queen of England. That doesn't make it true.

So what you are saying is that they don't fit YOUR definition of Christianity. What other self-proclaimed Christian denominations don't pass in your opinion? Surely there are others.

Actually I'm saying they don't fit the biblical definition of Christianity. But thanks for playing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The differences between Christian denominations are minor compared to the difference between Christiantiy and Mormonism.

Just a few examples:
-Mormons believe salvation is earned by good works. Christians believe salvation is given by belief in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.
-Mormons believe Jesus is a spirit brother to Satan. Christians believe Jesus is God's only son. Same name, totally different meaning.
-Ever notice that Mormons don't wear or include a cross on any buildings? The meaning of the cross is fundamental to all Christian denominations.
-Mormons believe that god (which they refer to as Heavenly Father) is the god of our planet and that one day a man can become a god his own planet. He can bring his wife with him (she cannot attain this level of heaven herself, thus part of the OP's question about women wanting this "priesthood"), and there they will produce spirit babies that will some day take human form on this new planet.

To the Mormon on here, please feel free call me out on anything.

Don't be fooled by semantics and appearances. Mormonism is its own religion apart from Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.

NP here[b]. I didn't know that God was the Heavenly Father of earth and there are other Heavenly Fathers out there. Is there no uber God in Mormonism or is it monotheistic only with respect to earth but not to the universe.

Yes, Adam is our God and Eve is our Goddess. Together they produce spirit babies who need bodies. Hence, Mormons need to multiply to provide bodies for the spirit babies. Then, when you die, depending on your good works on earth, your faith in the church's teachings, and all the money you have paid and work you have done in the church, you go to one of three levels of heaven where your husband (provided he died first) will be waiting for you to pull you into heaven. But he can only do so if he knows your secret name (given when the coupld is married). Then you and your husband now continue to perfect yourself until you, too, like Adam and Eve, can go off and start another planet and fill it with babies. No I am not making this up. Read "Under the Banner of Heaven" and "The 18th Wife". This is why religious researchers call Mormonism a "cult" because it does not believe in one god, but in man in man's ability to become a God in his own right providing he tithe, work in the church, go on a mision and do anything the church "calls" him to do. And Yes, Adam and Satan are brothers - there were several others - Satan got kicked out. BTW since you need a man to whom you have been sealed to to get into the top "Celestial" heaven, a woman cannot hold either the aaronic or melchezidek priesthood. Ain't going to happen

[Anonymous]

Again, I just feel horrible for Kate Kelly. I hope she comes to realize that there are other churches where she will be welcomed and accepted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they accepted Jesus as The Lord they would also accept the salvation and not preach entrance to heaven is based on earthly good works. They also wouldn't believe that humans can be exalted and gods of their own planets. Well, male humans that is.

I can make a website saying I accept that I am the queen of England. That doesn't make it true.

So what you are saying is that they don't fit YOUR definition of Christianity. What other self-proclaimed Christian denominations don't pass in your opinion? Surely there are others.

13:35 here again. Actually, it is the official statement of many Christian denominations that state Mormonism is not Christian. I don't have time to provide links, but if this PP is truly interested in the study of religion and not just picking a fight, then I suggest you call up a few mainstream churches. Southern Baptist, United Methodist, Luthern (ELCA and MS), Presbyterian, Catholic.

Please report your findings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they accepted Jesus as The Lord they would also accept the salvation and not preach entrance to heaven is based on earthly good works. They also wouldn't believe that humans can be exalted and gods of their own planets. Well, male humans that is.

I can make a website saying I accept that I am the queen of England. That doesn't make it true.

So what you are saying is that they don't fit YOUR definition of Christianity. What other self-proclaimed Christian denominations don't pass in your opinion? Surely there are others.

13:35 here again. Actually, it is the official statement of many Christian denominations that state Mormonism is not Christian. I don't have time to provide links, but if this PP is truly interested in the study of religion and not just picking a fight, then I suggest you call up a few mainstream churches. Southern Baptist, United Methodist, Luthern (ELCA and MS), Presbyterian, Catholic.

Please report your findings.

I don't doubt that other churches don't accept mormons are Christian -- some feel that way about Catholicism as well. But that's their opinion, there is nothing "official" about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they accepted Jesus as The Lord they would also accept the salvation and not preach entrance to heaven is based on earthly good works. They also wouldn't believe that humans can be exalted and gods of their own planets. Well, male humans that is.

I can make a website saying I accept that I am the queen of England. That doesn't make it true.

So what you are saying is that they don't fit YOUR definition of Christianity. What other self-proclaimed Christian denominations don't pass in your opinion? Surely there are others.

Actually I'm saying they don't fit the biblical definition of Christianity. But thanks for playing

Oh, the "biblical definition!" As if there's just one and pp knows exactly what it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Every single thing that 13:35 said is correct. It is doing a disservice to your religion and your own morality to try to discount those things PP. Your BOM or D&C can help set you straight if you are confused about such things.

yours Truly, 13:35

I'm not 13:35 at all. I'm 10:48 and 11:51. But you are a bit scary. You can't be a very faithful member if you can't admit these truths about your religion. Your dedication to denial is actually quite frightening.

This is the real 13:35 and that was my last post. Ignore the imposters!

I am a Christian that has recently spent quite a bit of time researching Mormonism. We moved and have several Mormon neighbors. I wanted to learn more about it and thus you have my 13:35 post.

And you are quite correct 13:35 with everything you said. I've studied the religion extensively. Happy to field questions if 13:35 wants to bow out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single thing that 13:35 said is correct. It is doing a disservice to your religion and your own morality to try to discount those things PP. Your BOM or D&C can help set you straight if you are confused about such things.

yours Truly, 13:35

I'm not 13:35 at all. I'm 10:48 and 11:51. But you are a bit scary. You can't be a very faithful member if you can't admit these truths about your religion. Your dedication to denial is actually quite frightening.

This is the real 13:35 and that was my last post. Ignore the imposters!

I am a Christian that has recently spent quite a bit of time researching Mormonism. We moved and have several Mormon neighbors. I wanted to learn more about it and thus you have my 13:35 post.

And you are quite correct 13:35 with everything you said. I've studied the religion extensively. Happy to field questions if 13:35 wants to bow out.

+1

[Anonymous]

As a Mormon new poster, 'I can firmly say Mormons are Christians, we believe in Jesus Christ and his resurrection. There is other stuff too but there is a belief in Christ. You shouldn't ask another denomination whether. XXX are Christians, you should ask those you are XXX.

In terms of priesthood for women, need to remember that Mormon church is quite young (founded in early 1800's) so hasn't hadtimeto develop way to deal with dissenters. Like Luther dissenting, reform Jews vs conservative etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a Mormon new poster, 'I can firmly say Mormons are Christians, we believe in Jesus Christ and his resurrection. There is other stuff too but there is a belief in Christ.

Galatians 1:8-9.

[Anonymous]

Mormon new poster back
I understand you disagree with Mormon church, I agree with you that there is a lot to disagree with
But Mormons are Christians.

Evenif they do not meet your definition of Christian.

And on that note, let's end the discussion

[Anonymous]

The definition for Christianity is set forth in the Bible.

Let's just breakdown a very popular verse that summarizes Christianity and see how Mormonism compares.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life.

It says God, as in singular. Mormons believe in multiple gods.
It says only son. Mormons believe Jesus was not God's only son.
Heaven is based only on faith in Jesus (as he is known in the Bible). Mormons believe in good works.

See above posts to confirm the theology.

To the Mormon poster, please do not claim your religion to be Christian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The definition for Christianity is set forth in the Bible.

Let's just breakdown a very popular verse that summarizes Christianity and see how Mormonism compares.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life.

It says God, as in singular. Mormons believe in multiple gods.
It says only son. Mormons believe Jesus was not God's only son.
Heaven is based only on faith in Jesus (as he is known in the Bible). Mormons believe in good works.

See above posts to confirm the theology.

To the Mormon poster, please do not claim your religion to be Christian.

Amen! It matters WHAT you believe about Christ, not just using His name. Matthew 24:23-24, direct from Christ's mouth Himself: "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead ... ."