Correlation of SES status, race, and FARMS with test scores and disruptiveness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My girldfriend is a public defender in Orlando. She has often mentioned that when police pull over young white teenagers who have pot on them, they are given a warning. Sometimes the parents are called. However, when black teenagers are pulled over and there is a scent of pot swirling through the air, the police call in a dog for a probable cause search. That kid is arrested.

Anybody been following that case in Miami about the Black man arrested 42 times for trespassing. He has been arrested for trespassing at a convenience store. The kicker is he works at the store. I wonder if he can sue and win against Miami PD for false arrest and harassment.

I was wrong, he was arrested 62 times at his place of employment. All of these arrests created a very long rap sheet. So now, when he goes to apply for a job and the application asks, "have you ever been arrested", he has to say yes 62 times. He has only been convicted of one misdemeanor possession of marijuana. I think that is a drug that the vast majority of Americans have tried once. Some were lucky to get a warning. Others never caught.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-stop-man-258-times-charge-trespassing-work-article-1.1526422

http://www.webpronews.com/employee-arrested-62-times-for-trespassing-at-work-2013-11

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

[Anonymous]

What about that post is inaccurate? Are you telling me that some police don't turn the other way when they notice a white person breaking the law, especially minor crimes such as possession of marijuana?

I can only speak for two that I know of who were arrested about ten years ago. Two white boys who were in high school. Only reason I know is because they were subsequently kicked off the basketball team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What about that post is inaccurate? Are you telling me that some police don't turn the other way when they notice a white person breaking the law, especially minor crimes such as possession of marijuana?

No more than for AA's.

I've seen AA youths given a warning and let off easy by DC cops when caught smoking a joint so stanky it was obvious from a block away. So I have to take a lot of this crap with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Are you somebody who looks like a clean-cut, respectable, middle-class white person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My girldfriend is a public defender in Orlando. She has often mentioned that when police pull over young white teenagers who have pot on them, they are given a warning. Sometimes the parents are called. However, when black teenagers are pulled over and there is a scent of pot swirling through the air, the police call in a dog for a probable cause search. That kid is arrested.

Anybody been following that case in Miami about the Black man arrested 42 times for trespassing. He has been arrested for trespassing at a convenience store. The kicker is he works at the store. I wonder if he can sue and win against Miami PD for false arrest and harassment.

How would she know that, since if they were supposedly let off by the cops, PDs would never even be involved. I call BS on that story. Probably just some made-up swirl that goes around the PD's office to try and explain why it's mostly non-whites who end up there, while also glibly ignoring the fact that a.) Orlando has a lot of AA and Latino which together outweighs white so the demographics alone would support the fact that more non-whites are arrested - and b.) that the white folks who get busted (and they do indeed get busted in Orlando) probably try and get their own defense attorney rather than go to a PD, which is also why they wouldn't show up there.

[Anonymous]

I just went on the Orlando Sentinel mugshot database to look at who was arrested for marijuana possession over the weekend. I counted 17 white folks. So to say white folks are just given a warning and let go is nothing but mythical bullshit at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just went on the Orlando Sentinel mugshot database to look at who was arrested for marijuana possession over the weekend. I counted 17 white folks. So to say white folks are just given a warning and let go is nothing but mythical bullshit at this point.

+1. Plus, someone earlier made the good point that police prioritizes dealers over users, for obvious reasons of resource allocation. To see everything as racist is, as PP puts it in such lyrical terms, "mythical bullshit."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Are you somebody who looks like a clean-cut, respectable, middle-class white person?

Take "white" out of that equation. White kid hanging out somewhere, covered in tattoos, wife-beater tanktop and pants sagging down around his ass, probably going to be watched with suspicion. Same goes for a black kid dressed the same way. Or Latino.

Vice versa, clean-cut, respectable middle-class looking white or black or Latino person will NOT be looked at with suspicion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Are you somebody who looks like a clean-cut, respectable, middle-class white person?

Take "white" out of that equation. White kid hanging out somewhere, covered in tattoos, wife-beater tanktop and pants sagging down around his ass, probably going to be watched with suspicion. Same goes for a black kid dressed the same way. Or Latino.

Vice versa, clean-cut, respectable middle-class looking white or black or Latino person will NOT be looked at with suspicion.

I guess you believe in unicorns as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My girldfriend is a public defender in Orlando. She has often mentioned that when police pull over young white teenagers who have pot on them, they are given a warning. Sometimes the parents are called. However, when black teenagers are pulled over and there is a scent of pot swirling through the air, the police call in a dog for a probable cause search. That kid is arrested.

Anybody been following that case in Miami about the Black man arrested 42 times for trespassing. He has been arrested for trespassing at a convenience store. The kicker is he works at the store. I wonder if he can sue and win against Miami PD for false arrest and harassment.

I was wrong, he was arrested 62 times at his place of employment. All of these arrests created a very long rap sheet. So now, when he goes to apply for a job and the application asks, "have you ever been arrested", he has to say yes 62 times. He has only been convicted of one misdemeanor possession of marijuana. I think that is a drug that the vast majority of Americans have tried once. Some were lucky to get a warning. Others never caught.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-stop-man-258-times-charge-trespassing-work-article-1.1526422

http://www.webpronews.com/employee-arrested-62-times-for-trespassing-at-work-2013-11

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Apparently lawyers have lined up to take the case. There is a pending Section 1983 lawsuit against the police department.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Are you somebody who looks like a clean-cut, respectable, middle-class white person?

Take "white" out of that equation. White kid hanging out somewhere, covered in tattoos, wife-beater tanktop and pants sagging down around his ass, probably going to be watched with suspicion. Same goes for a black kid dressed the same way. Or Latino.

Vice versa, clean-cut, respectable middle-class looking white or black or Latino person will NOT be looked at with suspicion.

I guess you believe in unicorns as well.

Clearly you still think it's 1968 and have nothing current to offer to the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My girldfriend is a public defender in Orlando. She has often mentioned that when police pull over young white teenagers who have pot on them, they are given a warning. Sometimes the parents are called. However, when black teenagers are pulled over and there is a scent of pot swirling through the air, the police call in a dog for a probable cause search. That kid is arrested.

Anybody been following that case in Miami about the Black man arrested 42 times for trespassing. He has been arrested for trespassing at a convenience store. The kicker is he works at the store. I wonder if he can sue and win against Miami PD for false arrest and harassment.

I was wrong, he was arrested 62 times at his place of employment. All of these arrests created a very long rap sheet. So now, when he goes to apply for a job and the application asks, "have you ever been arrested", he has to say yes 62 times. He has only been convicted of one misdemeanor possession of marijuana. I think that is a drug that the vast majority of Americans have tried once. Some were lucky to get a warning. Others never caught.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-stop-man-258-times-charge-trespassing-work-article-1.1526422

http://www.webpronews.com/employee-arrested-62-times-for-trespassing-at-work-2013-11

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Apparently lawyers have lined up to take the case. There is a pending Section 1983 lawsuit against the police department.

Lawsuit. If that's a "unicorn" then yes, I believe in it.

If cops in this day and age are actually so stupid as to arrest someone 62 times for "trespassing" at their place of work when they were supposed to be there, then they will get their asses handed to them and they will be shamed in national media for it, not to mention a massive award to come out of it. Guy probably will not only have his rap sheet expunged of 62 arrests, he will probably be awarded enough cash to not have to work again anyways by the time a jury is done with the PD. Most cops know better, and the few throwbacks in the system here and there that don't yet will, soon enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Are you somebody who looks like a clean-cut, respectable, middle-class white person?

Take "white" out of that equation. White kid hanging out somewhere, covered in tattoos, wife-beater tanktop and pants sagging down around his ass, probably going to be watched with suspicion. Same goes for a black kid dressed the same way. Or Latino.

Vice versa, clean-cut, respectable middle-class looking white or black or Latino person will NOT be looked at with suspicion.

Tell that to Forest Whitaker.

(Have you asked your black and Latino friends their opinion about this?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hungry kids are more disruptive.

I am also grouchy and unfocused when hungry, and my kid is even worse. Fortunately, the money in my pocket means he never goes to school hungry.

Can't really use that as an excuse when free meals are available. http://www.dc.gov/DCPS/Beyond+the+Classroom/Food+Services/Application+for+Free+and+Reduced+Meals

OMG!

Free breakfast
Free lunch
Free after school snack
Five days a week

And then on top of that, there's SNAP, food pantries and lots of other things available.

When I fell on hard times a while back I managed to survive for over two years on the equivalent of ten bucks a week in food budget, that's a lot less than what SNAP provides per person so don't tell me it can't be done. No reason kids should be going hungry given all that's available in this city. Anyone whose kids are going hungry isn't trying. Anyone who is letting their kids go hungry is just flat out abusing them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's something seriously fishy with that story. How can you be arrested for trespassing where you work, and how would that EVER stick in any court of law? And OF COURSE he can sue and win if it's actually true - and if it's actually true, I'm sure there would be attorneys lined up around the corner and down the block chomping at the bit to take that case because it's a big money slam dunk. Something else is missing from the story. Something else is not being told there.

Are you somebody who looks like a clean-cut, respectable, middle-class white person?

Take "white" out of that equation. White kid hanging out somewhere, covered in tattoos, wife-beater tanktop and pants sagging down around his ass, probably going to be watched with suspicion. Same goes for a black kid dressed the same way. Or Latino.

Vice versa, clean-cut, respectable middle-class looking white or black or Latino person will NOT be looked at with suspicion.

Tell that to Forest Whitaker.

(Have you asked your black and Latino friends their opinion about this?)

Forest Whitaker was stopped and frisked by some random store employee, out of the hundreds of thousands of store clerks who do business with blacks, whites, Latinos, whoever every single day all across America without incident. Yet here you are, going ahead and painting the whole world with your broad brush based on the actions of one idiot.