Correlation of SES status, race, and FARMS with test scores and disruptiveness?

[Anonymous]

Yes. Poor black kids tend to underperform in school and behave disruptively. You believe otherwise?

How does that make Americans racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Not the PP, but given that Americans in general are that racist, it seems reasonable to assume that American teachers are too.

You really believe that Americans are that racist? Really?

I'm guessing you're a white person?

Let's start with this: African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems that posters on DCUM freely assume when evaluating school quality that predominantly low SES/high FARMS rate/majority AA = bad test scores/disruptive in the classroom. What basis in science does this have? If there is strong correlation, is it universal or specific to certain cities, regions or situations? I'm just trying to get a hold on the facts and separating them from baseless fearmongering and prejudice.

This doesn't require any science. Simply look at the actual numbers. OP, let me ask you, what country is bigger, the US or the Vatican? Your question is about facts. science can come in handy when trying to understand those facts and ways to ameliorate them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not the PP, but given that Americans in general are that racist, it seems reasonable to assume that American teachers are too.

You really believe that Americans are that racist? Really?

I'm guessing you're a white person?

Let's start with this: African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

I am guessing you are a defensive black person?

Let's continue with this: African Americans represent over half of killers and murder victims, despite representing less than 13% of the population.

So?

[Anonymous]

But African Americans receive harsher sentences. There is institutionalized racism.

[Anonymous]

There is a correlation between low SES/high FARMS and disruptive behavior and low test scores for all of the obvious reasons that have already been discussed on this thread: poor/inconsistent parenting, chaotic households, lack of family resources to access outside assistance with behavior and/or learning disabilities, lack of proper nutrition, etc. Of course all of these factors have a very negative impact on children's behavior and school performance!

However, it's just ignorant and simple minded to link all of this to African Americans! The behavioral problems and low test scores are due to low SES and race doesn't need to be brought into it. I'm sure majority white schools in Appalachia with similarly low SES experience the same problems.

[Anonymous]

They receive harsher sentences because they kill more people........actually, they kill more AA people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not the PP, but given that Americans in general are that racist, it seems reasonable to assume that American teachers are too.

You really believe that Americans are that racist? Really?

I'm guessing you're a white person?

Let's start with this: African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

Right; police tend to arrest dealers vs. users. I see you tried to equate "users" with those arrested for drug "offenses"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But African Americans receive harsher sentences. There is institutionalized racism.

Do they? I've read pretty convincing analyses that say that they don't. In either case, it's certainly not an established truth.

[Anonymous]

I am equally leery of sending my kids to expensive private schools. They are mostly kids of very rich, dual income, demanding career families, that do not have time to spend with their kids. These kids come with different kinds of issues to the school and are disruptive too.

Also - many of these kids have older parents (I am thinking that this may be an issue - poor quality sperm or egg) and have behavioral and cognitive issues. I pulled my kid from the expensive Montessori because they accepted kids (white - I might add) - who would scream and rock themselves and roll on the floor. While I feel bad for these families I thought it would be better to defect to MCPS. I have been happier there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not the PP, but given that Americans in general are that racist, it seems reasonable to assume that American teachers are too.

You really believe that Americans are that racist? Really?

I'm guessing you're a white person?

Let's start with this: African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

I am guessing you are a defensive black person?

Let's continue with this: African Americans represent over half of killers and murder victims, despite representing less than 13% of the population.

So?

Actually, I am a white person. Specifically, I am a white person who realizes that racism did not go away when Martin Luther King gave his "I have a dream" speech and also did not go away with Obama's election in 2008.

I am also a white person whose point was that the criminal justice system is much harsher to black people arrested for drug offenses than to white people arrested for drug offenses. A comparable argument related to murder -- since you have brought up murder -- would have been that the criminal justice system is much harsher to black people accused of killing white people than white people accused of killing black people. Both of these points show that racism is institutionalized in the US. Whereas your point is supposed to show what? That black people like to murder each other?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am equally leery of sending my kids to expensive private schools. They are mostly kids of very rich, dual income, demanding career families, that do not have time to spend with their kids. These kids come with different kinds of issues to the school and are disruptive too.

Also - many of these kids have older parents (I am thinking that this may be an issue - poor quality sperm or egg) and have behavioral and cognitive issues. I pulled my kid from the expensive Montessori because they accepted kids (white - I might add) - who would scream and rock themselves and roll on the floor. While I feel bad for these families I thought it would be better to defect to MCPS. I have been happier there.

We must have sent our children to the same Montessori in MC. We also left for public school. My kid is thriving!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not the PP, but given that Americans in general are that racist, it seems reasonable to assume that American teachers are too.

You really believe that Americans are that racist? Really?

I'm guessing you're a white person?

Let's start with this: African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

Right; police tend to arrest dealers vs. users. I see you tried to equate "users" with those arrested for drug "offenses"

They tend to arrest people who... are caught breaking laws. They don't go around just arresting people at random. Nor do they just look the other way when it's a white person breaking the law.

[Anonymous]

They tend to arrest people who... are caught breaking laws. They don't go around just arresting people at random. Nor do they just look the other way when it's a white person breaking the law.

Don't be naive, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But African Americans receive harsher sentences. There is institutionalized racism.

Do they? I've read pretty convincing analyses that say that they don't. In either case, it's certainly not an established truth.

NP. Actually it is established proof. All you have to do is look at the difference in the sentences for powder cocaine versus the same weight of baked cocaine. Anyone caught in possession of powder cocaine receive a much lighter sentence than someone with the same volume of crack cocaine. Powder cocaine is/was the drug of choice of affluent whites (I've been to enough parties populated by accountants and lawyers). Crack cocaine is/was the drug of choice for poor blacks. The sentencing guidelines are much harsher for crack cocaine, leading to years in felony prison. Whereas in some jurisdictions, powder coke is a misdemeanor.