Correlation of SES status, race, and FARMS with test scores and disruptiveness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Yes, exactly. As were the cops in Miami Gardens who are being accused of racial profiling. Evidently African Americans targeting African Americans is racist.

Yes it is -- if it is racism -- it is racism -- people can be prejudiced against people within their own gender, culture, race, etc.

If this is the case, then take it on headfirst and hold the actors involved accountable.

Passing the buck and blaming everyone and everything else isn't going to solve anything, it will only cause ill will and resentment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

Sorry, that's three Black commanders, 6d, 7d and 4d.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

Rank and file of DCPD is almost 60% AA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

Rank and file of DCPD is almost 60% AA.

Not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

Rank and file of DCPD is almost 60% AA.

Not true.

From an article:

Last year, black officers made up 58 percent of the force, with whites making up 28 percent, Latinos 7 percent, Asians 2 percent, and those occupying the category “race not designated” 5 percent.

[Anonymous]

"But obviously it's all the fault of the 28% white cops on the force..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"But obviously it's all the fault of the 28% white cops on the force..."

...says nobody.

[Anonymous]

This poster just does not get it and likely will never get it. This person sees AAs as the people we are complaining about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

Rank and file of DCPD is almost 60% AA.

Not true.

From an article:

Last year, black officers made up 58 percent of the force, with whites making up 28 percent, Latinos 7 percent, Asians 2 percent, and those occupying the category “race not designated” 5 percent.

I don't know the article you are quoting, but I will stick to the data I received in response to a request for interrogatories and documents. But carry on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

Rank and file of DCPD is almost 60% AA.

Not true.

From an article:

Last year, black officers made up 58 percent of the force, with whites making up 28 percent, Latinos 7 percent, Asians 2 percent, and those occupying the category “race not designated” 5 percent.

I don't know the article you are quoting, but I will stick to the data I received in response to a request for interrogatories and documents. But carry on.

Oh, and the request and response did not include the civilian personnel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the majority of DC cops were African American.

Actually they are not, including the rank and file. And if you look at the Top of the department, there are seven assistant chiefs in which two are Black, five white, no Asians and no latinos. The very top, Lanier, is white. In regards to commanders, there are seven commanders, 4 black, 1 Latino, and 3 white.

Rank and file of DCPD is almost 60% AA.

Not true.

From an article:

Last year, black officers made up 58 percent of the force, with whites making up 28 percent, Latinos 7 percent, Asians 2 percent, and those occupying the category “race not designated” 5 percent.

I don't know the article you are quoting, but I will stick to the data I received in response to a request for interrogatories and documents. But carry on.

Article from 2011 entitled: How D.C.'s majority black police force helps the city

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40853/how-dcs-majority-black-police-force-helps-the-city/

[Anonymous]

Try this one: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40853/how-dcs-majority-black-police-force-helps-the-city/

I guess you are trying to suggest that the breakdown suddenly and radically changed in the last year or so.

Uh-huh. Riiiiiight.

[Anonymous]

PP who made claims about DC MPD not having an AA majority has not backed those claims up. Post the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you PP for the very thoughtful and personal post. It is very enlightening and your suggestions sound valid. I hope we keep up these conversations and folks can get a real, true understanding of the problem. It's unbelievable that the issues you experienced many years ago are still issues today. I'm sure some things have helped (providing food, IEPs, etc.) but looks like we have a long way to go!

Anonymous wrote:

I would love for someone to do a true study showing correlation (but more important showing what options work in leveling the playing field, if any). What needs to happen to bring a kid who is disrupting class out of whatever issue he/she is having to perform better? Are we talking lots more psychologists? Are you talking master teachers? More volunteers in the classroom? Classes devoting to addressing specific behaviors?

For the teachers that teach this population, can you answer this?

This is really tough. I taught these kids and I do not have the answer.
I taught this population many years ago as a young new college graduate. I am Caucasian.
First, I also had some white children in my class who had the same problems. In fact, one of the white moms got in a fight with the (white) school bus driver and put her in the hospital. The kids were on the playground before school and witnessed the fight. That is an example of the problem and the environment in which some of these kids live. Do not think that white kids are exempt. And, while almost all the AA children that I taught lived in the projects , they weren’t all behavior problems. However, more were than were not.
Many of these kids fought a lot. We were told (by the “experts” that they didn’t have toys, so they “manipulate” each other.) I think that is BS from professors who are not dealing with the problem. Kids who see violence in their homes will express it themselves. It is very hard to establish rules in school when there are no rules at home. One of my students had her dad killed in a bar fight (knife). Another’s nineteen year old brother was arrested for a violent rape. These two young girls were among the better behaved and were sweet children. It breaks your heart when you see these issues. Most of my students was struggling in school. I had a meeting with a dad about trying to help her a little extra at home. The next day she came in with strap marks on her legs—I never gave her a bad grade again.
I taught first grade in Florida before K was mandatory. Many of the kids I taught did not even know the names of the colors. I spent time teaching “inside and outside”, “over and under”—basic concepts that these children should have known at three.
Most of the kids I taught were on welfare and just about all were on free lunch. A few were on reduced lunch, as I recall. They may not have eaten properly, but I never felt that they were malnourished or hungry. I do not know that for a fact, however. I will say that we had a terrific dietician at our school with superb food, so the kids did get healthy food that tasted great for lunch. This is a rarity in a public school.
It is hard to explain to people who have not been a class like those I taught, just how difficult it is to get the kids’ attention and keep them on task. I did have kids that did great—some of them from the poorest homes. One of the smartest I taught had a mother who was a prostitute. He started at the bottom of my class and rose to the top in one year. However, most of the kids struggled and definitely were not going to be on a college track. They had not been read to. They had not been talked to—they had been yelled at and that is what they expected. It is hard to teach a reading group when you have other kids pestering each other. This was before IEP’S and I am sure that many of these kids would have had them.
Sadly, this was forty years ago, and, from what I see, little has changed.
My suggestions: start in the hospital with educating the parents about the right way to talk to their babies. . Public service announcements on television and the radio about the best way to handle your child. Stress the importance of reading to your child and parenting classes. I think parenting classes would be more valuable than preschool. Teach middle school kids and elementary school kids about how to talk and help their younger siblings. Teach parenting classes in high school. Get the rappers and the hip hoppers involved. Get the preachers to step up more.
Barack Obama should talk about this. Other AA leaders should, as well. It is the culture—though the problems are not limited to the African American community. Throwing money at the schools won’t change things.

+1 Thanks for the PPs that kept things on track. I agree helping the parents is a start. In my case, I have a child with a 504 and talking to other parents , learning different techniques to help at home with my child, and learning how to advocate for my child are important. I am AA and at least with my parents/family the world of IEP/504, therapists, parenting classes are completely foreign to my upbringing and even more so to how my parents were raised. So I am pretty much sailing in uncharted waters. I've struggled with the matter of mindset like getting over a stigma attached of either being a bad parent because your kid does X in school, not having all the answers as a parent and needing outside help, having your child labeled X and wondering if this will cause teachers to lower their expectations for my child. I also work full-time and while it allows for some financial resources I can't keep my job if I always have to be at the school or am constantly taking off to do xyz.

The other thing I would mention is how school is structured. I think there is a certain expectation that all kids have to be able to succeed in a very specific way and if you change the school environment you can reach kids that may not do as well the traditional way. My child changed schools and I can't say whether the teacher having a child psychology background, more gym periods and shorter period blocks or what has made the difference. Similar I would think to charter schools that have been successful with low income children.