2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nnat 90% taken in the midst of huge stress and sickness. Not enough for the pool but decent in view of the circumstances.
Non-verbal CogAt 58% taken in a good mood rested and alert. Wait, what?!!! Same non verbal skill, should act as a control, no?

Her school performance puts her in the advanced groups for reading writing and math -- all at one of the schools that send 1/3 of their students to aap centers.

Even adjusting for fairfax local scores, the single way this makes sense is if she decided to, say, braid her hair during the test!

So now we're now testing for attention deficit... Arghrr

Do they ever report on the validity of the test (eg student actually participated)?

What about a WISC? That might be helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems as though a 134-135 composite score for benchmark CoGat would be reasonable-they raised the benchmark to 132 last year from 130 the year before, and still had too large of a pool-but why the actual number cannot be released is beyond me.

They most likely did not release the composite because many parents would be too confused seeing that the threshold went from 132 last year to close to 126 this year even though its a little more difficult to make the automatic pool. The threshold number would have dropped but the actual number of kids making it would have dropped as well. Again since this cogat was fairfax only, they could not score it at the us level like they have done in the past.

but they could've normed for age and given that percentile. It looks like lot of incompetence on the FCPS/AAP testing!

Do we know they didn't norm for age?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop stereotyping Asian kids on test prepping. My child is an Asian and we did not test prep him, and he did very well on both NNAT and CogNat.

Have you ever walked outside a Kumon or any other prep place? Have you seen the racial composition of the kids who attend such places? I am sorry if you are an exception, but it's not "stereotyping" if something is true for the majority of a population!

What do they do at Kumon???
Prep CogAT??

[Anonymous]

My DC is in pool. NNAT 139. CogAT VQN 90 ( V = 63, Q = 99, N = 87).
I am very surprised.His verbal score is low. How do they weigh scores?
DC is quite good in reading and writing.
Any idea how it might affect the admission decision?

[Anonymous]

I don't think it will affect admissions, a the central committee realizes not every person tests well. True story...when I took my SAT my scores suggested that I was "challenged." Apparently I do not test well. I have since completed a master's and am quite intelligent. I know that I am intelligent as my folks paid for me to have 8 hours of testing, after the SAT results, via a psychologist. As I recall, the results suggested IQ in the range of upper 130, and excellent mechanical and analytical skills. So, as you can see, testing is only one piece of the puzzle, and for some it is in fact left out of the puzzle , as the results do not jive with the person's actual abilities.

[Anonymous]

My DC is at VQN 98%. what does this mean? how does this translate into a score.

[Anonymous]

Has everyone received their CogAT scores? We do not have ours yet. The in-pool letter was based on his NNAT.

[Anonymous]

I really wish that I had never subjected my DCs to this, and did not even open the envelope. DS had already been accepted before the test came (late that year) I thought that the exacting numeral scores were limiting and inaccurate -- leading me to think is he not capable? There is a reason that IQ/other tests have been questioned in the past. AAP mom -- DS doing very well!

[Anonymous]

In every thread I look to see how many entries there are before some is a "rascist" Give it a rest, people!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has everyone received their CogAT scores? We do not have ours yet. The in-pool letter was based on his NNAT.

We haven't received our CogAT scores either. The in-pool letter came last week...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop stereotyping Asian kids on test prepping. My child is an Asian and we did not test prep him, and he did very well on both NNAT and CogNat.

Have you ever walked outside a Kumon or any other prep place? Have you seen the racial composition of the kids who attend such places? I am sorry if you are an exception, but it's not "stereotyping" if something is true for the majority of a population!

What do they do at Kumon???
Prep CogAT??

I think the point is the Asian community places a high level of importance on academic preparedness and success. This of course is not to say that other, individuals and other ethnic groups do not do the same, but in general the Asian culture as a whole has historically promoted a strong work ethic and environment that rewards and recognizes academic excellence. This was examined in the book Outliers (great read), which equates the historic "rice paddy" agrarian societies of Asian with continued meticulous behavior and hard work. It is a good book in that it explains in a very systematic way that many differences between cultures are rooted in history, and passed down from generation to generation. They can be bad or good qualities, but they exist whether our PC environment today likes it or not. Its so intellectually dishonest that one cannot state a statistical fact (note the enrollment of Asians at TJ or in AAP versus the per capita population as a whole for example) without being labeled a "racist".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop stereotyping Asian kids on test prepping. My child is an Asian and we did not test prep him, and he did very well on both NNAT and CogNat.

Have you ever walked outside a Kumon or any other prep place? Have you seen the racial composition of the kids who attend such places? I am sorry if you are an exception, but it's not "stereotyping" if something is true for the majority of a population!

What do they do at Kumon???
Prep CogAT??

I think the point is the Asian community places a high level of importance on academic preparedness and success. This of course is not to say that other, individuals and other ethnic groups do not do the same, but in general the Asian culture as a whole has historically promoted a strong work ethic and environment that rewards and recognizes academic excellence. This was examined in the book Outliers (great read), which equates the historic "rice paddy" agrarian societies of Asian with continued meticulous behavior and hard work. It is a good book in that it explains in a very systematic way that many differences between cultures are rooted in history, and passed down from generation to generation. They can be bad or good qualities, but they exist whether our PC environment today likes it or not. Its so intellectually dishonest that one cannot state a statistical fact (note the enrollment of Asians at TJ or in AAP versus the per capita population as a whole for example) without being labeled a "racist".

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop stereotyping Asian kids on test prepping. My child is an Asian and we did not test prep him, and he did very well on both NNAT and CogNat.

Have you ever walked outside a Kumon or any other prep place? Have you seen the racial composition of the kids who attend such places? I am sorry if you are an exception, but it's not "stereotyping" if something is true for the majority of a population!

What do they do at Kumon???
Prep CogAT??

I think the point is the Asian community places a high level of importance on academic preparedness and success. This of course is not to say that other, individuals and other ethnic groups do not do the same, but in general the Asian culture as a whole has historically promoted a strong work ethic and environment that rewards and recognizes academic excellence. This was examined in the book Outliers (great read), which equates the historic "rice paddy" agrarian societies of Asian with continued meticulous behavior and hard work. It is a good book in that it explains in a very systematic way that many differences between cultures are rooted in history, and passed down from generation to generation. They can be bad or good qualities, but they exist whether our PC environment today likes it or not. Its so intellectually dishonest that one cannot state a statistical fact (note the enrollment of Asians at TJ or in AAP versus the per capita population as a whole for example) without being labeled a "racist".

And to avoid any further( unnecessary) exchanges, no, Asians are not a majority in TJ or AAP because the majority of the general Asian population worldwide (in corresponding percentages) are smarter than the rest of the world. If that were the case, their corresponding countries would dominate all scientific achievements, prizes, inventions and accolades worldwide, which as we all know hasn't happened yet...

[Anonymous]

Thus far, we have received neither the in pool letter nor CogAt score.
I don't know why people ridicule Kumon. Recently our elementary school newsletter advertised a new Kumon center and I registered my DC. I only registered math so everyday, my DC does 10-20 minutes of additions and subtractions. I think it is very good because we will never have the patients to repeat those simple questions over and over. It really help improve the speed of mental calculation.

I can testify here that Kumon math has nothing to do with CogAT! It actually may even do the opposite cause it is more restricting, not challenging the mind.

[Anonymous]

I find it hard to believe that an elementary school advertised for Kumon, really? That's like saying, "we don't teach, pay extra for worksheets here!".