Ax vs Ask

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man, I hate when people say Brett Farve! So ignorant!

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Brett Lorenzo Favre (pronounced /?f?rv/;[1] born October 10, 1969)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre

I don't know where the question marks came from, but the point remains it should say (and be said) 'farv. So, I don't understand the PP's point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: How about "the floor needs to be warshed" as a PP said? Would you really correct pronunciation? Because 'ax' is 'ask' mispronounced (or pronounced in a dialect) and if it is used grammatically correctly then i don't see how you can correct someone for that.

Yes, I'd correct a teacher who who said "warshed" or who said "warshington" the way people in some regions of the US do. It may be OK to say it that way in some places, but it isn't in Washington - not for a teacher who is supposed to be a model for children.

There are places where "younse" is dialect for the plural of "you," but teachers don't say it - not in the classroom

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: How about "the floor needs to be warshed" as a PP said? Would you really correct pronunciation? Because 'ax' is 'ask' mispronounced (or pronounced in a dialect) and if it is used grammatically correctly then i don't see how you can correct someone for that.

Yes, I'd correct a teacher who who said "warshed" or who said "warshington" the way people in some regions of the US do. It may be OK to say it that way in some places, but it isn't in Washington - not for a teacher who is supposed to be a model for children.

There are places where "younse" is dialect for the plural of "you," but teachers don't say it - not in the classroom

That's different, because younse (you-uns) is not a real word whereas 'ax' is a mispronunciation of a real word. Ax is merely Ask pronounced differently than you pronounce it. Would you also correct a New England accent? Would you correct a teacher for saying "cah" instead of car because we don't say it that way in Washington?

(They used to say we would never have a Southern president because no one would vote for someone with a 'dumb' accent? Now I ax y'all -- and I mean all-y'all -- if that's right.)

[Anonymous]

This concern if it is such a concern to op belongs in the principals Office...she or he is the instructional leader

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This concern if it is such a concern to op belongs in the principals Office...she or he is the instructional leader

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ax is merely Ask pronounced differently than you pronounce it. Would you also correct a New England accent? Would you correct a teacher for saying "cah" instead of car because we don't say it that way in Washington?

I was also going to bring this up. I grew up in Boston and had a strong Boston accent. All my teachers did, too (I think). We made fun of the one girl in school who did not have one (her excuse was "it depends where your parents are from.") I lost my accent in college as most of my fellow students didn't have one (though I went to school in Mass - but at an elite private college). Anyway, what if your kid's teacher had an accident like this? Would you be as upset? It's not a mispronunciation; it's just an accent from another region. Think "ax" is the same kind of regionalism though I admit I find it grating.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't this entire thread sum up the problems with the DCPS. When parents (especially ones who care enough to post on and read forums related to the schools) can't agree that teachers should speak grammatically correct standard English, what hope is there for DCPS?? Wow! Maybe the parents of DCPS are a bigger problem than I ever imagined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't this entire thread sum up the problems with the DCPS. When parents (especially ones who care enough to post on and read forums related to the schools) can't agree that teachers should speak grammatically correct standard English, what hope is there for DCPS?? Wow! Maybe the parents of DCPS are a bigger problem than I ever imagined.

Does this post not sum up the problem with people on DCUM who cannot be bothered to read entire threads before posting, or who refuse to acknowledge the arguments made against their point? The word Ax IS NOT GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT. It is STANDARD ENGLISH -- simply mispronounced (and, not so coincidentally, mispronounced the way an AA person around here would mispronounce it instead of the way a WASP from New England would).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't this entire thread sum up the problems with the DCPS. When parents (especially ones who care enough to post on and read forums related to the schools) can't agree that teachers should speak grammatically correct standard English, what hope is there for DCPS?? Wow! Maybe the parents of DCPS are a bigger problem than I ever imagined.

Does this post not sum up the problem with people on DCUM who cannot be bothered to read entire threads before posting, or who refuse to acknowledge the arguments made against their point? The word Ax IS NOT GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT. It is STANDARD ENGLISH -- simply mispronounced (and, not so coincidentally, mispronounced the way an AA person around here would mispronounce it instead of the way a WASP from New England would).

That's nonsense! You would not expect an educated person to say "ax" instead of "ask." Period. It is just that simple. In a job interview, you would be rejected if you were to speak that way. If your doctor used that type of grammar, you would (rightly) question his/her qualifications and intellect. Smart and not-so-smart people know to say "ask." Someone using "ax" is far outside the norm and I'm fairly sure you know that. To claim (in all caps!) that it is standard english is a joke. People who hear someone saying "ax" come to the same obvious conclusion: the speaker is uneducated. You know this as well as I.
To make up ridiculous excuses about how this is not wrong is to do a disservice to the children who are taught by a person using this language. To pretend that in 2010 that the use of "ax" is grammatically correct is a joke! Why go through the mental gymnastics required to make the use of "ax" anything but an ignorant misuse of the English language. Who is served by this? The children of DC should have teachers know the proper use of the English language (as used in this day and age). No amount of linguistic gymnastics can cover the very obvious point: this is a poorly educated teacher who can't speak correctly. It is absurd to conclude anything different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't this entire thread sum up the problems with the DCPS. When parents (especially ones who care enough to post on and read forums related to the schools) can't agree that teachers should speak grammatically correct standard English, what hope is there for DCPS?? Wow! Maybe the parents of DCPS are a bigger problem than I ever imagined.

Does this post not sum up the problem with people on DCUM who cannot be bothered to read entire threads before posting, or who refuse to acknowledge the arguments made against their point? The word Ax IS NOT GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT. It is STANDARD ENGLISH -- simply mispronounced (and, not so coincidentally, mispronounced the way an AA person around here would mispronounce it instead of the way a WASP from New England would).

That's nonsense! You would not expect an educated person to say "ax" instead of "ask." Period. It is just that simple. In a job interview, you would be rejected if you were to speak that way. If your doctor used that type of grammar, you would (rightly) question his/her qualifications and intellect. Smart and not-so-smart people know to say "ask." Someone using "ax" is far outside the norm and I'm fairly sure you know that. To claim (in all caps!) that it is standard english is a joke. People who hear someone saying "ax" come to the same obvious conclusion: the speaker is uneducated. You know this as well as I.
To make up ridiculous excuses about how this is not wrong is to do a disservice to the children who are taught by a person using this language. To pretend that in 2010 that the use of "ax" is grammatically correct is a joke! Why go through the mental gymnastics required to make the use of "ax" anything but an ignorant misuse of the English language. Who is served by this? The children of DC should have teachers know the proper use of the English language (as used in this day and age). No amount of linguistic gymnastics can cover the very obvious point: this is a poorly educated teacher who can't speak correctly. It is absurd to conclude anything different.

I don't know how it's possible that I disagree with you since it is clearly absurd to do so but I do. Pronouncing the word "ask" as "ax" is not the same as making a grammatical error. Again, would you say of a teacher from New England that they are clearly uneducated because the say "cah" instead of car?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I don't know how it's possible that I disagree with you since it is clearly absurd to do so but I do. Pronouncing the word "ask" as "ax" is not the same as making a grammatical error. Again, would you say of a teacher from New England that they are clearly uneducated because the say "cah" instead of car?

Ax is not like cah, and you know it -- Would the original parent even raise it as an issue, if the kid came home saying cah instead of car? (but keep in mind, most teachers say "ask" much more that they say "car" in the classroom).

The OP might even jokingly mention to the teacher that the kid had picked up her new England accent, but I doubt the OP would say that to the "ax" teacher because it could be perceived as a negative racial remark.

[Anonymous]

"Ax" is more akin to "ain't" or "dun" (he dun up and walked out of here) than it is to "cah."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't know how it's possible that I disagree with you since it is clearly absurd to do so but I do. Pronouncing the word "ask" as "ax" is not the same as making a grammatical error. Again, would you say of a teacher from New England that they are clearly uneducated because the say "cah" instead of car?

Ax is not like cah, and you know it -- Would the original parent even raise it as an issue, if the kid came home saying cah instead of car? (but keep in mind, most teachers say "ask" much more that they say "car" in the classroom).

The OP might even jokingly mention to the teacher that the kid had picked up her new England accent, but I doubt the OP would say that to the "ax" teacher because it could be perceived as a negative racial remark.

Someone please explain to me how they are different. I really want to know. I would correct my child if she came home saying cah instead of car.

[Anonymous]

Isn't the entire Boston accent missing the hard "r" sound?

It's not just that it's a "cah" it's that you also "pahk" it outside the "bah". Also, horses live in a "bahn" and the great English poet & dramatist Shakespeare is the "Bahd."

It isn't one mispronounced word, it's a differently pronounced phoneme. Many Southern and English accents soften their "r" sounds as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't know how it's possible that I disagree with you since it is clearly absurd to do so but I do. Pronouncing the word "ask" as "ax" is not the same as making a grammatical error. Again, would you say of a teacher from New England that they are clearly uneducated because the say "cah" instead of car?

Ax is not like cah, and you know it -- Would the original parent even raise it as an issue, if the kid came home saying cah instead of car? (but keep in mind, most teachers say "ask" much more that they say "car" in the classroom).

The OP might even jokingly mention to the teacher that the kid had picked up her new England accent, but I doubt the OP would say that to the "ax" teacher because it could be perceived as a negative racial remark.

Exactly. Ax = uneducated but cah = cute joke

Why?