Ax vs Ask

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd just explain that some people say "ask" differently, but that more people say "ask". I'd continue to correct at home. The school system that you use does ot make the pronunciation of the word as "ask" a prerequisite for teaching. If you think it important enough, then work with the system to make something the school seeks to change or let it go. In business, I frankly tolerate the word "ax", but it puts me on edge every time I hear it as being incorrect.

Exactly. I cringe a bit when I hear "ax," but I don't make it a point of humiliating the speaker by correcting them.

I cringe when I hear "ax" also. But I would doubly cringe if I heard someone correct the speaker. It's borderline racist/classist.

[Anonymous]

but it's not borderline racist/classist to cringe when you hear "aks," or to tell your kid not to use it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd just explain that some people say "ask" differently, but that more people say "ask". I'd continue to correct at home. The school system that you use does ot make the pronunciation of the word as "ask" a prerequisite for teaching. If you think it important enough, then work with the system to make something the school seeks to change or let it go. In business, I frankly tolerate the word "ax", but it puts me on edge every time I hear it as being incorrect.

Exactly. I cringe a bit when I hear "ax," but I don't make it a point of humiliating the speaker by correcting them.

Has it occurred to you that the person might be grateful? What if someone had spinach in their teeth, or TP hanging out of their pants.
Would you not tell them to spare humiliation?

I'm sure you realize the difference between spinach or TP and word usage. But to indulge this comparison, ideally it would be great for someone to let you know about it. But in real life only the people closest to you will. (How many times have you gotten home at the end of the day and saw that dang spinach in your teeth? After talking to people all day!!) I remember my friend correcting my pronunciation of the word ravenous. I was embarrassed at the time, but even more embarrassed for saying it wrong for so long. But she was a good friend.
My biggest problem with correcting peoples word usage is it is hypocritical by nature. We all make mistakes or relax standards at moments. No one speaks properly all the time and to correct someone says that you do. So just model the way you want your kids to talk and leave it at that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd just explain that some people say "ask" differently, but that more people say "ask". I'd continue to correct at home. The school system that you use does ot make the pronunciation of the word as "ask" a prerequisite for teaching. If you think it important enough, then work with the system to make something the school seeks to change or let it go. In business, I frankly tolerate the word "ax", but it puts me on edge every time I hear it as being incorrect.

Exactly. I cringe a bit when I hear "ax," but I don't make it a point of humiliating the speaker by correcting them.

I cringe when I hear "ax" also. But I would doubly cringe if I heard someone correct the speaker. It's borderline racist/classist.

It's not even about racism/classism, sometimes it's just about manners. If I were talking to GWB, I would cringe when he said noo-cyu-lur, but I wouldn't correct him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: No one speaks properly all the time and to correct someone says that you do. So just model the way you want your kids to talk and leave it at that.

Excellent point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd just explain that some people say "ask" differently, but that more people say "ask". I'd continue to correct at home. The school system that you use does ot make the pronunciation of the word as "ask" a prerequisite for teaching. If you think it important enough, then work with the system to make something the school seeks to change or let it go. In business, I frankly tolerate the word "ax", but it puts me on edge every time I hear it as being incorrect.

Exactly. I cringe a bit when I hear "ax," but I don't make it a point of humiliating the speaker by correcting them.

Has it occurred to you that the person might be grateful? What if someone had spinach in their teeth, or TP hanging out of their pants.
Would you not tell them to spare humiliation?

I'm quite sure that black teachers know that they say "aks" and that whites don't. I don't think whites have to tell them that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd just explain that some people say "ask" differently, but that more people say "ask". I'd continue to correct at home. The school system that you use does ot make the pronunciation of the word as "ask" a prerequisite for teaching. If you think it important enough, then work with the system to make something the school seeks to change or let it go. In business, I frankly tolerate the word "ax", but it puts me on edge every time I hear it as being incorrect.

Exactly. I cringe a bit when I hear "ax," but I don't make it a point of humiliating the speaker by correcting them.

I cringe when I hear "ax" also. But I would doubly cringe if I heard someone correct the speaker. It's borderline racist/classist.

It's not even about racism/classism, sometimes it's just about manners. If I were talking to GWB, I would cringe when he said noo-cyu-lur, but I wouldn't correct him.

Would you correct Jimmy Carter? Considering that he graduated from the Naval Academy as a midshipman and even served as a submariner, including his application to the nuclear submarine program, there can't be a bigger or more embarrassing dipshit vis-a-vis the proper pronunciation of nuclear. (Of course, there's absolutely nothing about Jimmy Carter that isn't embarrassing, so maybe that's just off the table from jump start.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd just explain that some people say "ask" differently, but that more people say "ask". I'd continue to correct at home. The school system that you use does ot make the pronunciation of the word as "ask" a prerequisite for teaching. If you think it important enough, then work with the system to make something the school seeks to change or let it go. In business, I frankly tolerate the word "ax", but it puts me on edge every time I hear it as being incorrect.

Exactly. I cringe a bit when I hear "ax," but I don't make it a point of humiliating the speaker by correcting them.

I cringe when I hear "ax" also. But I would doubly cringe if I heard someone correct the speaker. It's borderline racist/classist.

It's not even about racism/classism, sometimes it's just about manners. If I were talking to GWB, I would cringe when he said noo-cyu-lur, but I wouldn't correct him.

Would you correct Jimmy Carter? Considering that he graduated from the Naval Academy as a midshipman and even served as a submariner, including his application to the nuclear submarine program, there can't be a bigger or more embarrassing dipshit vis-a-vis the proper pronunciation of nuclear. (Of course, there's absolutely nothing about Jimmy Carter that isn't embarrassing, so maybe that's just off the table from jump start.)

No, I would not, and I'm not sure why you're asking unless you're framing this as some sort of Democrat vs. Republican thing. If he graduated from the Naval Academy and still incorrectly pronounces nuclear, me correcting him is not going to incite any lasting change.

I correct the grammar of people living in my household. I will also correct the grammar of people for whom English is a second language who have indicated that they wish to be corrected. Otherwise, I do not, no matter the person's race, political affiliation, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd just explain that some people say "ask" differently, but that more people say "ask". I'd continue to correct at home. The school system that you use does ot make the pronunciation of the word as "ask" a prerequisite for teaching. If you think it important enough, then work with the system to make something the school seeks to change or let it go. In business, I frankly tolerate the word "ax", but it puts me on edge every time I hear it as being incorrect.

Exactly. I cringe a bit when I hear "ax," but I don't make it a point of humiliating the speaker by correcting them.

I cringe when I hear "ax" also. But I would doubly cringe if I heard someone correct the speaker. It's borderline racist/classist.

It's not even about racism/classism, sometimes it's just about manners. If I were talking to GWB, I would cringe when he said noo-cyu-lur, but I wouldn't correct him.

Would you correct Jimmy Carter? Considering that he graduated from the Naval Academy as a midshipman and even served as a submariner, including his application to the nuclear submarine program, there can't be a bigger or more embarrassing dipshit vis-a-vis the proper pronunciation of nuclear. (Of course, there's absolutely nothing about Jimmy Carter that isn't embarrassing, so maybe that's just off the table from jump start.)

No, I would not, and I'm not sure why you're asking unless you're framing this as some sort of Democrat vs. Republican thing. If he graduated from the Naval Academy and still incorrectly pronounces nuclear, me correcting him is not going to incite any lasting change.

I correct the grammar of people living in my household. I will also correct the grammar of people for whom English is a second language who have indicated that they wish to be corrected. Otherwise, I do not, no matter the person's race, political affiliation, etc.

Go back and re-read the PP I'm responding to, tenderheart.

She's offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear. My point is merely that Jimmy Carter's (exact same) mispronunciation is actually more egregious. I'm not the person who made this political. I'm just the one who trumped the person who did.

[Anonymous]

I've lost track of where this thread started, but I assume we can all agree to disagree on various uses of one of the world's most hybridized (made up word) and inclusive languages. OP, if you're still reading, I hope you view your original question as an opportunity to connect with the teacher on your desire to learn as well as your child's ability to communicate with wide range of people. (Run-on alert. Too much chardonnay.)

[Anonymous]

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Go back and re-read the PP I'm responding to, tenderheart.

She's offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear. My point is merely that Jimmy Carter's (exact same) mispronunciation is actually more egregious. I'm not the person who made this political. I'm just the one who trumped the person who did.

You quoted 13:07 and I am 13:07, Grumpy Bear.

I did not say I was offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear, I stated that I would cringe but not correct him. If I were talking to Jimmy Carter and he mispronounced nuclear, I would also cringe but not correct him.

You must have had one too many glasses of wine tonight and you thought you were responding to a different post.

[Anonymous]

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Go back and re-read the PP I'm responding to, tenderheart.

She's offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear. My point is merely that Jimmy Carter's (exact same) mispronunciation is actually more egregious. I'm not the person who made this political. I'm just the one who trumped the person who did.

You quoted 13:07 and I am 13:07, Grumpy Bear.

I did not say I was offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear, I stated that I would cringe but not correct him. If I were talking to Jimmy Carter and he mispronounced nuclear, I would also cringe but not correct him.

You must have had one too many glasses of wine tonight and you thought you were responding to a different post.

No dear, I haven't had any wine at all tonight.

If someone corrects you, or makes a point you don't like? That doesn't mean they've been drinking.

Believe it or not, your family's issues? Are just that! I can see how the holidays would be stressful for an alcoholic family, but please leave the rest of us out of it, okay? Good luck & sobriety to you and yours.

[Anonymous]

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Go back and re-read the PP I'm responding to, tenderheart.

She's offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear. My point is merely that Jimmy Carter's (exact same) mispronunciation is actually more egregious. I'm not the person who made this political. I'm just the one who trumped the person who did.

You quoted 13:07 and I am 13:07, Grumpy Bear.

I did not say I was offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear, I stated that I would cringe but not correct him. If I were talking to Jimmy Carter and he mispronounced nuclear, I would also cringe but not correct him.

You must have had one too many glasses of wine tonight and you thought you were responding to a different post.

No dear, I haven't had any wine at all tonight.

If someone corrects you, or makes a point you don't like? That doesn't mean they've been drinking.

Believe it or not, your family's issues? Are just that! I can see how the holidays would be stressful for an alcoholic family, but please leave the rest of us out of it, okay? Good luck & sobriety to you and yours.

And good luck to you getting that bug out of your ass before it dies. Smooches!

[Anonymous]

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Go back and re-read the PP I'm responding to, tenderheart.

She's offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear. My point is merely that Jimmy Carter's (exact same) mispronunciation is actually more egregious. I'm not the person who made this political. I'm just the one who trumped the person who did.

You quoted 13:07 and I am 13:07, Grumpy Bear.

I did not say I was offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear, I stated that I would cringe but not correct him. If I were talking to Jimmy Carter and he mispronounced nuclear, I would also cringe but not correct him.

You must have had one too many glasses of wine tonight and you thought you were responding to a different post.

No dear, I haven't had any wine at all tonight.

If someone corrects you, or makes a point you don't like? That doesn't mean they've been drinking.

Believe it or not, your family's issues? Are just that! I can see how the holidays would be stressful for an alcoholic family, but please leave the rest of us out of it, okay? Good luck & sobriety to you and yours.

And good luck to you getting that bug out of your ass before it dies. Smooches!

LOL! I am 13:07/19:29/22:29 and I didn't post this, but it fits.

22:45, you didn't correct anything or even make a point- I brought up GWB in my first post because of his race/social class, not because of his political affiliation. If I had said Jimmy Carter instead of GWB in my first, it would have made the same point, as they are both upper-class white men. It's okay, I understand that it likely just flew over your head.

[Anonymous]

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Go back and re-read the PP I'm responding to, tenderheart.

She's offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear. My point is merely that Jimmy Carter's (exact same) mispronunciation is actually more egregious. I'm not the person who made this political. I'm just the one who trumped the person who did.

You quoted 13:07 and I am 13:07, Grumpy Bear.

I did not say I was offended by GWB's mispronunciation of nuclear, I stated that I would cringe but not correct him. If I were talking to Jimmy Carter and he mispronounced nuclear, I would also cringe but not correct him.

You must have had one too many glasses of wine tonight and you thought you were responding to a different post.

No dear, I haven't had any wine at all tonight.

If someone corrects you, or makes a point you don't like? That doesn't mean they've been drinking.

Believe it or not, your family's issues? Are just that! I can see how the holidays would be stressful for an alcoholic family, but please leave the rest of us out of it, okay? Good luck & sobriety to you and yours.

And good luck to you getting that bug out of your ass before it dies. Smooches!

It's a pity so many contributors to this thread either can't manage to be articulate, or can't manage to articulate a point without being crude or vulgar.

So sad that your influence will inevitably rub off on your child.