Presidential executive order over voting in the works
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Anonymous
You know Trump is bad when China doesn't trust him. It's become the enemy of my enemy is my friend. |
Anonymous
First, there are not currently, nor will there be, several hundred thousands of ICE Agents come November. And second, this is a country of 350 million people and a lot of power still rests at the state and local level. Third, a lot of states where they'd like to deploy these "agents" are either open carry or concealed carry. Minneapolis will look like a garden party compared to pulling that $h!t at the polls in Houston or Atlanta. |
Anonymous
| What is included in the executive order, even in draft form? |
Anonymous
Read here. Pretty grim. https://www.threads.com/@yersocialistdad/post/DVSrxttlCxa?xmt=AQF0zfdmcg6KTsyAb49RRXs1BdtKegSKU5LUDUQ1mHKFmj04EUR7oGgTdb-A8FDlZqByR_s&slof=1 |
Anonymous
And your last bit sounds like a MAGA wet dream: The untrained MAGA ICE agents bring violence and provoke retaliatory violence at carefully selected polling spots in high minority communities— and Trump brings out the military for “peaceful “ intervention and uses this and incomplete elections to hang onto the presidency. It’s already Weekend at Bernie’s — something, just another variation for Miller, Vought and their boy Vance. |
Anonymous
PP - you’re not wrong but that’s a choice of the regime and the consequences will be on the regime as well. I’m not convinced the US military is actually going to start killing US citizens. There will be a massive groundswell of resistance in the military if Trump moves this way. |
Anonymous
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Unfortunately, he should. Dismissing pillow man, Flynn, Trump, Bannon and the whole crew got us where we are. These people are jokes, yes, but they are also very dangerous. What is it going to take for the American public to wake up? |
Anonymous
There MAY be a massive groundswell of resistance in the military if Trump moves this way. The leadership has changed a LOT in the last year or so — throughout all branches of the military. Many of the enlisted troops are, if not MAGA, people who wouldn’t necessarily put themselves at risk to avoid implementing what they’re encouraged to believe is their patriotic duty. Again, it’s likely that this will initially focused on majority minority communities— starting with ICE agents predisposed to view these communities as “other” - if not as “other squandering their tax dollars and taking away their own hypothetical opportunities “. By the time the US military gets pulled in, they will be “defending” the ICE agents, and possibly local police and/ or National Guard troops. I wish I had the confidence that you do that the entire military— individually and collectively— would resist this. For context, as a Black woman of a certain age, the idea that armed forces sworn to “protect and serve” might easily turn on a dime to, instead, gleefully destroy particular communities is not a hypothetical thought experiment. |
Anonymous
What it will take is for them to feel some personal, negative impact — or negative impacts that they can easily relate to. This is a good place to say that over generalizing about “the American public” might not be as helpful as calling out the subsets of the American public who are either Trump supporters against their own better interests or mostly oblivious to what’s going on politically and what the likely outcomes of what’s going on politically might be. There’s a huge chunk of “the American public” who have been trying to warn the rest of “the American public” for decades about Trump, and people predisposed to put their individual interests above the well-being of our country and the communities that comprise it. Those of us that didn’t and don’t need “to wake up” have been excoriated as “woke” — as though that’s a negative thing. It will take a lot to get people already sipping the kool aid to willingly join in with our lot. |
Anonymous
Thank you. These people are a minority of a minority who only have power because of an esoteric quirk in our electoral system combined with arbitrary, 200-year-old decisions about state borders, many of which were drawn solely to ensure the Senate couldn’t abolish slavery. The GOP has spent the past 50 years stoking racist grievance among the people who oh-so-conveniently have outsize electoral power, making it next to impossible for their opposition to meaningfully legislate for decades. Meanwhile, when the GOP is in charge, all they’ve deigned to do is cut taxes and strip civil rights. They’ve encouraged this idea that our government can’t function because they don’t WANT it to function, leading a handful of disillusioned folks to vote for the racists’ moronic demagogue because he promised to tear it all down. But those disillusioned people are waking up. Every poll shows it. This is not 2024 where Kamala was “up” by 1% with a 3% margin of error. It’s double digits. They now realize what most of us have been saying all along. And, yes, it is MOST of us, because Trump has never managed to win a majority of the popular vote, not even in 2024. That is why they are trying to prevent free elections. Their jig is up. |
Anonymous
| Suppose ICE tried to beat people up at the polls and armored personal carriers roam the streets. The economy will collapse and make 1991 Yugoslavia look like a picnic. Sure, Jeff Bezos can hang with his surgically enhanced wife on a yacht or guarded compound in France, but the US as a warzone, not the world's police probably wouldn't make him feel too secure. |
Anonymous
I agree with you that it's not a hypothetical thought experiment. I have not been one to blow off the threat that I believe Trump represents. I believe it's pretty obvious what he has been doing and what he continues to work towards - eroding trust in institutions in order to retain power. But I still have a hard time getting to US troops shooting and killing citizens over voting. I'm trying to think of the last civilian massacre committed by US troops against a foreign population, much less a domestic one. Last, while I don't think we should sleep on the threat from Flynn/Lindell/Bannon this also feels like a tried and true tactic to float something in the press in order to get Trump to notice it. |
Anonymous
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Trump’s goal isn’t to prevent people from voting, it’s to cast doubt on the results of the election. It’s the same BS as 2020 when he spent months whining about fraud before the election had even happened.
Just watch. He’ll issue some EO, no states outside the MAGA wasteland will follow it, then he’ll claim any close race the Republicans lose was tainted by fraud. On Jan. 3 he’ll delude some losing Congressional candidates to show up at the Capitol and insist they be seated instead of the winners. |
Anonymous
Seriously? So, you’re not counting the bombing of schools in Iran today? Is that because of wanting more independent verification? You’re not counting Kent State. You’re not counting any of the massacres of Native Americans. And you’re not counting ICE as troops. Which might be accurate— I genuinely don’t know — but doesn’t make them any less lethal. Given that most of the killing of US citizens has been done by militarized police officers of one kind or another, I can see not counting them as “troops” — although the overlap is increasing, so I’m not going to suggest the MOVE murders as examples. So, lots of civilian deaths, but quite a bit of wiggle room that varies with how we decide to define “US troops.” |
Anonymous
I apologize for being gruesome but I'm talking about armed troops gunning down civilians in a face to face confrontation. Kent State was the National Guard. Massacres of Native Americans is wrong and horrific, it's also more than 200 years ago, which is kind of my point. I can't think of a confrontation with a civilian population where the military killed a large amount of civilians since My Lai in Vietnam and we prosecuted those soldiers (which was kind of a farce, but there was a prosecution). These types of confrontations are rare and not accepted by the population. And the military is trained on what is and what is not lawful. I just think there's a major cultural and training hurdle before the military is going to turn on its own population. |