VHSL Regionals

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At Oakmont now, is this not on MeetMobile?

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Anonymous wrote:At Oakmont now, is this not on MeetMobile?

It seemed to be updating, but stopped after 50free

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

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My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

We must not define “National” the same way. What exactly do you mean by “we swim national?”

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

We must not define “National” the same way. What exactly do you mean by “we swim national?”

I think they mean their HS is part of the National District that feeds into region 6c (Occoquan).

[Anonymous]

How many relays move on to finals?

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Anonymous wrote:How many relays move on to finals?

They all do (so long as they did not DQ last night). Top 8 in A final, remaining schools in B final.

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And top 4 relays go to states? (Or with a time)

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

This is true. Taking girls 200 IM for example, top 3 were AAA, AAC, and STA cuts and #1 and #2 at States. It’s a joke to say National has some sort of advantage at Regionals.

they have an advantage of getting to regionals, though

I guess the slower swimmers do and that can be seen as an advantage to them. But as a top swimmer in the National district, my swimmer sees it as a disadvantage and would much rather have competition at duel meets and Districts.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

This is true. Taking girls 200 IM for example, top 3 were AAA, AAC, and STA cuts and #1 and #2 at States. It’s a joke to say National has some sort of advantage at Regionals.

they have an advantage of getting to regionals, though

I guess the slower swimmers do and that can be seen as an advantage to them. But as a top swimmer in the National district, my swimmer sees it as a disadvantage and would much rather have competition at duel meets and Districts.

"Top swimmer..." At least you're not conceited.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

This is true. Taking girls 200 IM for example, top 3 were AAA, AAC, and STA cuts and #1 and #2 at States. It’s a joke to say National has some sort of advantage at Regionals.

they have an advantage of getting to regionals, though

I guess the slower swimmers do and that can be seen as an advantage to them. But as a top swimmer in the National district, my swimmer sees it as a disadvantage and would much rather have competition at duel meets and Districts.

"Top swimmer..." At least you're not conceited.

It’s not conceited- it’s a fact. Swimming is based on times and if they are a AAAA swimmer with national level cuts I think it’s a fair assessment to call them a top swimmer in a HS District meet.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

This is true. Taking girls 200 IM for example, top 3 were AAA, AAC, and STA cuts and #1 and #2 at States. It’s a joke to say National has some sort of advantage at Regionals.

they have an advantage of getting to regionals, though

I guess the slower swimmers do and that can be seen as an advantage to them. But as a top swimmer in the National district, my swimmer sees it as a disadvantage and would much rather have competition at duel meets and Districts.

"Top swimmer..." At least you're not conceited.

It’s not conceited- it’s a fact. Swimming is based on times and if they are a AAAA swimmer with national level cuts I think it’s a fair assessment to call them a top swimmer in a HS District meet.

+1 swimming is about as objective as it gets

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but for a non top swimmer, it sucks to be in patriot and watch regional swimmers much slower than you compete. Why can't it be the top 24 of the 2 regions. On top of being in class 6, this is another thing.

My hometown team in another state my kid would be in the state meet for all events just about.

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Anonymous wrote:but for a non top swimmer, it sucks to be in patriot and watch regional swimmers much slower than you compete. Why can't it be the top 24 of the 2 regions. On top of being in class 6, this is another thing.

My hometown team in another state my kid would be in the state meet for all events just about.

I hear you. I can think of a few examples of things that work like this in this area, outside of sports. I can see the argument in both directions. I like the way the NVSL works, where the fastest kids across all Divisions advance to IAS vs the top kids from each Division. Would be great if HS swim worked this way too. But I also acknowledge that that means some pools/schools have zero or almost no kids that get the chance to swim at the higher -level meets.

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Anonymous wrote:but for a non top swimmer, it sucks to be in patriot and watch regional swimmers much slower than you compete. Why can't it be the top 24 of the 2 regions. On top of being in class 6, this is another thing.

My hometown team in another state my kid would be in the state meet for all events just about.

It's pretty fair. Basically in practice 16 kids make Regionals from the Patriot District and 8 from National in each event. Why run Districts all over again so that 17th place at Patriot can swim Regional prelims?

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

This is true. Taking girls 200 IM for example, top 3 were AAA, AAC, and STA cuts and #1 and #2 at States. It’s a joke to say National has some sort of advantage at Regionals.

they have an advantage of getting to regionals, though

I guess the slower swimmers do and that can be seen as an advantage to them. But as a top swimmer in the National district, my swimmer sees it as a disadvantage and would much rather have competition at duel meets and Districts.

"Top swimmer..." At least you're not conceited.

It’s not conceited- it’s a fact. Swimming is based on times and if they are a AAAA swimmer with national level cuts I think it’s a fair assessment to call them a top swimmer in a HS District meet.

You just don't need to say it, especially when there are other people on here who's kid is faster than yours.