VHSL Regionals

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

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My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

This is true. Taking girls 200 IM for example, top 3 were AAA, AAC, and STA cuts and #1 and #2 at States. It’s a joke to say National has some sort of advantage at Regionals.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

West Springfield is in the Patriot District?

Yes.

I’m confused about the PP’s point.

I think it goes to the fast kid who is not quite fast enough to make a regional cut. If they are on a high school team with a deep bench they do not have the opportunity to get there because of the deep bench. Meanwhile smaller schools in certain districts where they all pretty much do not have deep benches will end up with slower kids in regionals.

Patriot district has a lot of good teams. They have large high schools in more affluent areas and lots of club swimmers. The exception to that is probably Alexandria City - no idea why they are stuck there. The districts are lined up so the dual meets are competitive. This all makes sense. Swimmers do not do well if they are blowing the other teams out of the water or in the alternative being demoralized every week by being blown out for the water (see, used a water reference).

National district is okay but certainly not as strong as Patriot. Some years they are, some years they are not. They have less top swimmers overall. Not TJ should probably be in Patriot district, they seem to be a bit of outlier. But, I think they probably enjoy the superiority of being in the wrong district and destroying their competition. Their fragile egos would not handle being in Patriot and middle of the pack there.

To add to this. Some could also argue that most of the schools in the National district also get a bit screwed over. Sure their schools are large in numbers but demographics vary greatly from the other schools in their region and i many way they are more comparable with class 5 or 6 schools in terms of swim team size and depth.

Wait wait wait… are we really getting behind saying that Burke and Springfield are more affluent than Vienna and McLean?!?!?

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

West Springfield is in the Patriot District?

Yes.

I’m confused about the PP’s point.

I think it goes to the fast kid who is not quite fast enough to make a regional cut. If they are on a high school team with a deep bench they do not have the opportunity to get there because of the deep bench. Meanwhile smaller schools in certain districts where they all pretty much do not have deep benches will end up with slower kids in regionals.

Patriot district has a lot of good teams. They have large high schools in more affluent areas and lots of club swimmers. The exception to that is probably Alexandria City - no idea why they are stuck there. The districts are lined up so the dual meets are competitive. This all makes sense. Swimmers do not do well if they are blowing the other teams out of the water or in the alternative being demoralized every week by being blown out for the water (see, used a water reference).

National district is okay but certainly not as strong as Patriot. Some years they are, some years they are not. They have less top swimmers overall. Not TJ should probably be in Patriot district, they seem to be a bit of outlier. But, I think they probably enjoy the superiority of being in the wrong district and destroying their competition. Their fragile egos would not handle being in Patriot and middle of the pack there.

Sorry last comment was supposed to refer to the insinuation that patriot is the best because there schools are in the most affluent area.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

West Springfield is in the Patriot District?

Yes.

I’m confused about the PP’s point.

I think it goes to the fast kid who is not quite fast enough to make a regional cut. If they are on a high school team with a deep bench they do not have the opportunity to get there because of the deep bench. Meanwhile smaller schools in certain districts where they all pretty much do not have deep benches will end up with slower kids in regionals.

Patriot district has a lot of good teams. They have large high schools in more affluent areas and lots of club swimmers. The exception to that is probably Alexandria City - no idea why they are stuck there. The districts are lined up so the dual meets are competitive. This all makes sense. Swimmers do not do well if they are blowing the other teams out of the water or in the alternative being demoralized every week by being blown out for the water (see, used a water reference).

National district is okay but certainly not as strong as Patriot. Some years they are, some years they are not. They have less top swimmers overall. Not TJ should probably be in Patriot district, they seem to be a bit of outlier. But, I think they probably enjoy the superiority of being in the wrong district and destroying their competition. Their fragile egos would not handle being in Patriot and middle of the pack there.

To add to this. Some could also argue that most of the schools in the National district also get a bit screwed over. Sure their schools are large in numbers but demographics vary greatly from the other schools in their region and i many way they are more comparable with class 5 or 6 schools in terms of swim team size and depth.

Wait wait wait… are we really getting behind saying that Burke and Springfield are more affluent than Vienna and McLean?!?!?

National does not cover Vienna and McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

I do not understand your comment. State cuts are state-wide, not based on region. If your swimmer is so strong, they are making the State cut and it has nothing to do with the Region (yes Regions have their own rules on the top XX swimmers (usually 5) are automatic bids). In our region, we have seen the T10 swimmers all make State cuts in the past.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ghc-ycnC4WFJ0z5JhDu3tyKkf1nw0EuZ/view

[Anonymous]

Is Oak Marr Rec Center the same as Oakmont Rec Center?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Oak Marr Rec Center the same as Oakmont Rec Center?

Yes, they renamed a few years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

I do not understand your comment. State cuts are state-wide, not based on region. If your swimmer is so strong, they are making the State cut and it has nothing to do with the Region (yes Regions have their own rules on the top XX swimmers (usually 5) are automatic bids). In our region, we have seen the T10 swimmers all make State cuts in the past.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ghc-ycnC4WFJ0z5JhDu3tyKkf1nw0EuZ/view

Harder to make top 5. Swimmers from other areas who were significantly slower made it.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

I do not understand your comment. State cuts are state-wide, not based on region. If your swimmer is so strong, they are making the State cut and it has nothing to do with the Region (yes Regions have their own rules on the top XX swimmers (usually 5) are automatic bids). In our region, we have seen the T10 swimmers all make State cuts in the past.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ghc-ycnC4WFJ0z5JhDu3tyKkf1nw0EuZ/view

Harder to make top 5. Swimmers from other areas who were significantly slower made it.

But that's why there is a path to qualify via a cut time vs. Regions place.

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

I do not understand your comment. State cuts are state-wide, not based on region. If your swimmer is so strong, they are making the State cut and it has nothing to do with the Region (yes Regions have their own rules on the top XX swimmers (usually 5) are automatic bids). In our region, we have seen the T10 swimmers all make State cuts in the past.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ghc-ycnC4WFJ0z5JhDu3tyKkf1nw0EuZ/view

Harder to make top 5. Swimmers from other areas who were significantly slower made it.

For boys, there was only a single event last year (500 free) where "only" the T5 boys at Regionals made states. For the other events, at least 6-10 made states based on State cut times. For ex., check out last year's results for 50 free, 100 back and others where at least 10 made it to the State cuts. https://www.pvswim.org/2425hs/2025vhslregion6d-results.pdf

This is for boys, girls is a different story.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody know what the schedule and location for the regionals meet will be? Patriot/National district in particular. We haven't gotten details from our coach yet, and it's my kid's first year so I don't know what 'normal' is. Just trying to plan our weekend around it... TIA!

Whenever it is, there is no planning around it. It will be your “weekend.”

[Anonymous]

Is the Regional meet for all of region 6 together? I saw someone using A, B and C so now I'm not sure if it's split further. Super ignorant parent here who never swam, so don't judge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the Regional meet for all of region 6 together? I saw someone using A, B and C so now I'm not sure if it's split further. Super ignorant parent here who never swam, so don't judge.

They are not. So there is a regional meet this weekend and then another for next. I think it is two districts per region for the 6s.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody know what the schedule and location for the regionals meet will be? Patriot/National district in particular. We haven't gotten details from our coach yet, and it's my kid's first year so I don't know what 'normal' is. Just trying to plan our weekend around it... TIA!

Whenever it is, there is no planning around it. It will be your “weekend.”

National is next weekend at Oakmont.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Patriot is fast compared to National. It is hard when your kid in patriot won't make regionals even though they have a way way faster time than someone in National. Happened to my kid all 4 years.

Ok - but there are regional cut times to help with this type of situation.

My kid is in National and made her cut times. But even so, the kids in Patriot are fast.

Again, ok. No one’s saying Patriot district isn’t fast.

The comment was trying to address the PP who was complaining that the Patriot district was so fast that their swimmer didn’t make regionals 4 years in row. My comment was only to say that the rules try to accommodate for those situations by having cut times. That’s all.

If the swimmers’s time was so fast, hopefully they were still able to complete in regionals via a time cut.

New poster…

My kid has state cuts (and has in the past), but every year kids that swim for let’s say West Springfield or Falls Church, they can make even states with very slow times compared to the kids in the regionals. It’s not really fair. Same for regionals. We have seen kids who wouldn’t even be 16th at our district become top 3 at regionals.

This isn’t true. We swim National and my swimmer would have placed top 8 at States but didn’t make it because our Regionals is so strong. Sure, National is weak but VHSL Occoquan Region 6C is fast. The cuts for States are harder for our region than the rest of Virginia. Thats not fair.

This is true. Taking girls 200 IM for example, top 3 were AAA, AAC, and STA cuts and #1 and #2 at States. It’s a joke to say National has some sort of advantage at Regionals.

they have an advantage of getting to regionals, though