Women's U.S. National Team

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

[Anonymous]

Meh. It's not really p2p for the elite players. Once they're id'd, the clubs will cover the fees. Trainers will train them for free bc they can use them for social media posts to bring in younger players.

Top girl players are training for free with NWSL teams, sometimes fulltime, up until they head to college (with a few of them choosing to go pro instead).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

Because this is an anonymous forum, I have no idea who I am responding to...anyway, this discussion has really gone off the rails. I don't even know where that happened, but it began with folks talking about how different the US P2P landscape is versus Europe, in particular with soccer. And then someone mentioned how high school sports and college sports are pretty much non-existent in Europe. I agree and that's all true. There's cricket clubs and rugby union clubs and soccer clubs etc, that all have youth teams. And then there are the top level academies run by their A level teams. And no kidding, every kid isn't playing for free at these A level academies.

As far as my kids, I had one that played soccer and never traveled overnight out of town. Loved the game, playing with friends, playing for their High School. Worked great for them. Now enjoys playing pickup and low level adult leagues. Perfect for them. I have another that will play soccer in college at a D1 P4 level in 2027 and they have put in the time and effort to get to that point. Have that same love of the game but made the commitment to themselves to be the best player that they could possibly be. All the stuff that goes along with the level of play. Why on earth would I tell either of my kids, the non-athlete and athlete, not to attend class? WTH? That's the whole point of college, isn't it? Sports is a vehicle to get there and help lower costs to us as parents, but the education is the priority.

I was making a point or at least trying to that the US college athletic system is damn near broken. The NIL business has gotten out of hand and allowed all of that BS to continue to grow from happening behind the scenes (wink, wink) in big football and basketball and is now making it's way into pretty much everything. Heck, the grocery bags of cash were happening back in the day of John Wooden's UCLA basketball teams and led to the death sentence for SMU football in the 80s. Today the flow of $$ is all supposedly above board.

So, how about that USWNT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meh. It's not really p2p for the elite players. Once they're id'd, the clubs will cover the fees. Trainers will train them for free bc they can use them for social media posts to bring in younger players.

Top girl players are training for free with NWSL teams, sometimes fulltime, up until they head to college (with a few of them choosing to go pro instead).

Hahaha you sound as if US men team has ever won anything. Meanwhile you have Europe dominating World Cup for decades on end until the last one with Argentina getting that Masonic treatment for the win (cue that black Saturn symbolism they had Messi lift the trophy with).

Note: it’s Cristiano’s turn this summer (Simpson already “predicted” it)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

If you don’t know anything on the subject, please do us all a favor and don’t comment on it. Theirs is no such thing as playing for your local team in Europe at minimal cost without subsidy. All European academies and teams are heavily subsidized by their governments and UEFA. All local clubs are heavily subsidized by their municipalities who pay for coaches and fields.

I don’t know what you do for a living but I get the feeling you just collect a bi-weekly check and don’t think about these things very much. Do the work, educate yourself, travel a bit, talk to people, learn, then talk. And until then, listen. Everyone is Europe envies the college system in the US because it provides an opportunity for players who are not going pro to get some return on the years of investment in their sport. And I’m not talking about basketball or baseball because this isn’t that kind of party and nobody here cares.
Soccer in the US is the stepchild of pro sports and simply doesn’t have the same level of support on the professional level, men or women.

Being a D1 soccer player still comes with more financial benefits and perks than the average pro player. Many of the girls that US soccer is investing in bringing to IDs and camps over and over again have no intention of pursuing soccer as a career. They’re merely using the exposure to get to the best college with the best financial deal. They will not be pursuing soccer beyond those four years. Their peers in Europe are in soccer academies, with the sole goal of becoming pros. The large US pool is only an advantage in the young age groups, their competitiveness on the senior level will continue to decline if they don’t take it seriously and treat it as all other professional sports and the way it is treated abroad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

If you don’t know anything on the subject, please do us all a favor and don’t comment on it. Theirs is no such thing as playing for your local team in Europe at minimal cost without subsidy. All European academies and teams are heavily subsidized by their governments and UEFA. All local clubs are heavily subsidized by their municipalities who pay for coaches and fields.

I don’t know what you do for a living but I get the feeling you just collect a bi-weekly check and don’t think about these things very much. Do the work, educate yourself, travel a bit, talk to people, learn, then talk. And until then, listen. Everyone is Europe envies the college system in the US because it provides an opportunity for players who are not going pro to get some return on the years of investment in their sport. And I’m not talking about basketball or baseball because this isn’t that kind of party and nobody here cares.
Soccer in the US is the stepchild of pro sports and simply doesn’t have the same level of support on the professional level, men or women.

Being a D1 soccer player still comes with more financial benefits and perks than the average pro player. Many of the girls that US soccer is investing in bringing to IDs and camps over and over again have no intention of pursuing soccer as a career. They’re merely using the exposure to get to the best college with the best financial deal. They will not be pursuing soccer beyond those four years. Their peers in Europe are in soccer academies, with the sole goal of becoming pros. The large US pool is only an advantage in the young age groups, their competitiveness on the senior level will continue to decline if they don’t take it seriously and treat it as all other professional sports and the way it is treated abroad.

I can guarantee it’s the exact opposite. Absolutely nobody gives a crap about the US as a whole, let alone the athletics in university.

LMAO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

If you don’t know anything on the subject, please do us all a favor and don’t comment on it. Theirs is no such thing as playing for your local team in Europe at minimal cost without subsidy. All European academies and teams are heavily subsidized by their governments and UEFA. All local clubs are heavily subsidized by their municipalities who pay for coaches and fields.

I don’t know what you do for a living but I get the feeling you just collect a bi-weekly check and don’t think about these things very much. Do the work, educate yourself, travel a bit, talk to people, learn, then talk. And until then, listen. Everyone is Europe envies the college system in the US because it provides an opportunity for players who are not going pro to get some return on the years of investment in their sport. And I’m not talking about basketball or baseball because this isn’t that kind of party and nobody here cares.
Soccer in the US is the stepchild of pro sports and simply doesn’t have the same level of support on the professional level, men or women.

Being a D1 soccer player still comes with more financial benefits and perks than the average pro player. Many of the girls that US soccer is investing in bringing to IDs and camps over and over again have no intention of pursuing soccer as a career. They’re merely using the exposure to get to the best college with the best financial deal. They will not be pursuing soccer beyond those four years. Their peers in Europe are in soccer academies, with the sole goal of becoming pros. The large US pool is only an advantage in the young age groups, their competitiveness on the senior level will continue to decline if they don’t take it seriously and treat it as all other professional sports and the way it is treated abroad.

I can guarantee it’s the exact opposite. Absolutely nobody gives a crap about the US as a whole, let alone the athletics in university.

LMAO

You have no clue. Go ahead and guarantee it, would love to see it. Everyone on the girls side aboard wishes they have the athletic college scholarships. More foreign players will keep coming to the US college programs, everyone who’s not in an academy abroad already. Talked to players, coaches, club and national directors in three countries in Europe this summer. I know what they told me and what the realities there are. It wasn’t much of a subject a few years ago but now that they are also developing a large pool of players, they’re looking for opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

This is a bad take. Costa Rica didn’t even qualify for this WC. They didn’t get out of group in 2022…every country is pay2play…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

GA is legit, too. Yes, not currently as big as ECNL with recruits, but a pathway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

D1 as a low probability is when all kids playing soccer are considered meaning players in rec, high school teams, travel, and national league travel (ECNL/GA/MLSN). If your kid is already in the 5% who are in those national leagues the probability is better maybe 20-30% of players in those leagues play D1. But those odds only hold if you are willing to send your kid to any D1 school for college, many of which you have never heard of and neither has any employer. Most parents on this board are not including those schools and so the probability gets much smaller again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

D1 as a low probability is when all kids playing soccer are considered meaning players in rec, high school teams, travel, and national league travel (ECNL/GA/MLSN). If your kid is already in the 5% who are in those national leagues the probability is better maybe 20-30% of players in those leagues play D1. But those odds only hold if you are willing to send your kid to any D1 school for college, many of which you have never heard of and neither has any employer. Most parents on this board are not including those schools and so the probability gets much smaller again.

And this is why we have no global partners anymore that arent autocrats. You know nothing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

GA is legit, too. Yes, not currently as big as ECNL with recruits, but a pathway.

If you say three times in a row your kid becomes Alex Morgan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

This is a bad take. Costa Rica didn’t even qualify for this WC. They didn’t get out of group in 2022…every country is pay2play…

Huh!? Dumb as bricks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

If you don’t know anything on the subject, please do us all a favor and don’t comment on it. Theirs is no such thing as playing for your local team in Europe at minimal cost without subsidy. All European academies and teams are heavily subsidized by their governments and UEFA. All local clubs are heavily subsidized by their municipalities who pay for coaches and fields.

I don’t know what you do for a living but I get the feeling you just collect a bi-weekly check and don’t think about these things very much. Do the work, educate yourself, travel a bit, talk to people, learn, then talk. And until then, listen. Everyone is Europe envies the college system in the US because it provides an opportunity for players who are not going pro to get some return on the years of investment in their sport. And I’m not talking about basketball or baseball because this isn’t that kind of party and nobody here cares.
Soccer in the US is the stepchild of pro sports and simply doesn’t have the same level of support on the professional level, men or women.

Being a D1 soccer player still comes with more financial benefits and perks than the average pro player. Many of the girls that US soccer is investing in bringing to IDs and camps over and over again have no intention of pursuing soccer as a career. They’re merely using the exposure to get to the best college with the best financial deal. They will not be pursuing soccer beyond those four years. Their peers in Europe are in soccer academies, with the sole goal of becoming pros. The large US pool is only an advantage in the young age groups, their competitiveness on the senior level will continue to decline if they don’t take it seriously and treat it as all other professional sports and the way it is treated abroad.

I can guarantee it’s the exact opposite. Absolutely nobody gives a crap about the US as a whole, let alone the athletics in university.

LMAO

You have no clue. Go ahead and guarantee it, would love to see it. Everyone on the girls side aboard wishes they have the athletic college scholarships. More foreign players will keep coming to the US college programs, everyone who’s not in an academy abroad already. Talked to players, coaches, club and national directors in three countries in Europe this summer. I know what they told me and what the realities there are. It wasn’t much of a subject a few years ago but now that they are also developing a large pool of players, they’re looking for opportunities.

If any of this is true why you slumming it on here with these Aspire parents? Go write your own blog