Women's U.S. National Team

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Anonymous wrote:That game was beyond bad last night. I can't imagine people enjoyed that game. Playing Paraguay and Chile is a total waste of time and should be a scrimmage held at practice. Watching Trinity Rodman dance after scoring the 5th goal against tiny 16 year old players from Chile is embarrassing. They might as well just come and play one of our DMV girls club teams and televise it.

I agree. Not exactly prime time stuff, still too much hype w Trinity. Watched her at Audi field last season, and she would be good for 15 mins tops. The rest of the time was filled with jogging, complaining and being hurt. But the sponsors love her, so now we get to watch her dance after scoring on 16 year olds.

So the ladies should sit out in protest when US Soccer arranges a friendly against an opponent that's not worthy in your eyes?

You think everything in soccer is just about the win, when the coaches have their eyes on multiple things regarding individuals and the team tactical philosophy

You're not as smart as you think you. Doing something against a severely overmatched opponent is completely different than doing it against even a "medium" competitive opponent.

Just because you can pull a "poor" (skill not money) player's pants down and embarrass them it doesn't always translate to playing that way against an average to exceptional player.

As foe the dancing, act like you have been there and treat those players with a touch of respect. Recognize they are doing their best and you just happen to be better.

And get off my lawn while you're at it. Let them have some fun. And, by the way, that dance => casual views =>fans.

well enjoy the dancing against 16 year old's from Chile. the top 10 teams in the world have caught us. those countries have a development system and very deep pockets for women's soccer. we have a massively expensive ecnl youth league, college, politics and favorites. trinity rodman is not developing like she should be...she is popular and getting paid. Hopefully her new contract will continue to grow the NWSL to a much higher level.

You do know that the top college teams could beat lots of professional teams, right? There are players that don’t even start in college that signed professional contracts in leagues and other countries.

The last major tournament was the Olympics. USA won that too. If Trinity Rodman isn’t developing then whose fault is that? US Soccer? I think that Trinity and Trinity‘s club are responsible for Trinity‘s development..

It’s ridiculous to say she isn’t developing. She is one of the top players in the league and keeps winning wherever she goes (Spirit and USWNT). She has been sidelined quite a bit by injuries. The idiots here think development just means fancy soccer moves. But that’s not her strength. She leans into what she is good at, as she should, and does what she can to help her team win. She brings an energy and leadership that is noticeable when she is on the field. Emma Hayes, who knows more about women’s soccer than any of you, clearly thinks she is one of the best players. I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your keyboard warrior definition of development.

She is a very good player and great at everything you just described. She has improved since the world cup where she should have been benched along with Rapinoe, but let's be honest, she could be the best player in the world if she had great skill. Her skills are good. Her social media and marketing skills are great. That's just my solo opinion.

Fantastic player, world class. I have a personal preference for Mallory and Sophia’s technical skill and movement on and off the ball. Trinity is certainly the straw that stirs the drink though. They are a very effective group who should have been playing more minutes together in prior cycles to the Paris Olympics.

The pure athletic superiority doesn't work so well when your constantly injured. The more technical players will have a longer career.

I agree with this. I feel they kept Rodman in Washington because she does what every owner wants....she puts butts in the seats. But she is kinda whiny and gets "hurt" too much.

Isn't that the case with many star players in lots of sports? Messi gets lots of questionable injuries and sits out games. Lebron James and the rest of the NBA practice load management. When you're the star who drives ticket sales you can do what you want. Good for them for knowing their own worth.

Early in LeBron James career he was available for 95% of his games. Messi has had injury issues but they became more frequent starting at PSG. He was an "old guy" at that point and probably needed time off. He still has only missed about 12% of games over 20+ years.

Rodman is still young. She's injury prone. It probably isn't her fault. It's just what it is, everyone's bodies are built differently. She's admitted herself that her back issue is chronic and will likely be a problem forever.

I like her. I think she's a good player and seems like at least a decent human being. However, I don't go to Spirit matches just to see her play. I suppose some do. And it's my opinion, they don't lose much when she's not available to feature. They play as a team better.

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

You’re pretty confident or ignorant stating us women’s soccer remains competitive.

The 2019 World Cup was won with dubious referee calling. Spain spanked us and yet we had to beat them with two penalties that were soft and weak at best. The rest of the world went full-on pro-feminine soccer and in about 10 years they’ve not only bridged the gap, but surpassed us.

You can convince yourself as much as you want… if you watch, study, have played, and coach or ref the game you know women’s us soccer is not going to smell golden trophies for a hot minute sadly enough

Not the poster you were responding to, but I suppose we will discount that gold medal won at the 2024 Olympics. But how are you defining competitive versus dominant? It seems like you are thinking dominant. Winning by wide margins, easily moving through and winning World Cups, Olympic gold medals. Just the class of the world at the sport. I am thinking of the Russians in hockey in the 70s. They, under the guise of an amateur program, were running pros out at the Olympics and in IIHF competitions until an upstart USA squad upset them in 1980 but then went right back to winning in 1984 and 1988. Competitive is something completely different. Consistently make it through to knockout rounds and deep into the tournament. Winning medals in the Olympics. But not always coming out on top every time. Let's say a much better performance overall than the men's US soccer squad. I can see that continuing to happen. There are just too many top level young women playing soccer here in the US. The pool is not diluted by other many other sports. And I believe that with the investment that is being made in looking at many more players than in the past and getting them involved and exposed to the national team culture earlier can only help.

The rest of the world comment...I give you that there are many more oppurtunites for women's soccer now in other countries than in the past. The US was certainly an early adopter which allowed for the early dominance. Title IX and college teams played a big part in that early success. But, I don't think everything is rosy though in all countries with women's leagues. I posted it earlier but will post again. It's not great with the Barca - the women's squad is pretty limited in roster construction and salary due to the heavy debt on the men's side. But, the Spanish women overall are certainly really, really good. Competition is a good thing, but needs to be addressed and handled well. I don't think that was done the right way when Vlatko was running things, but I have more confidence in Emma Hayes & Co.

Oh well. Different opinions. It will be interesting to see how things play out both in the near and long term future.

You actually Think Olympics mean anything. Lawd ave mersay

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

You’re pretty confident or ignorant stating us women’s soccer remains competitive.

The 2019 World Cup was won with dubious referee calling. Spain spanked us and yet we had to beat them with two penalties that were soft and weak at best. The rest of the world went full-on pro-feminine soccer and in about 10 years they’ve not only bridged the gap, but surpassed us.

You can convince yourself as much as you want… if you watch, study, have played, and coach or ref the game you know women’s us soccer is not going to smell golden trophies for a hot minute sadly enough

Not the poster you were responding to, but I suppose we will discount that gold medal won at the 2024 Olympics. But how are you defining competitive versus dominant? It seems like you are thinking dominant. Winning by wide margins, easily moving through and winning World Cups, Olympic gold medals. Just the class of the world at the sport. I am thinking of the Russians in hockey in the 70s. They, under the guise of an amateur program, were running pros out at the Olympics and in IIHF competitions until an upstart USA squad upset them in 1980 but then went right back to winning in 1984 and 1988. Competitive is something completely different. Consistently make it through to knockout rounds and deep into the tournament. Winning medals in the Olympics. But not always coming out on top every time. Let's say a much better performance overall than the men's US soccer squad. I can see that continuing to happen. There are just too many top level young women playing soccer here in the US. The pool is not diluted by other many other sports. And I believe that with the investment that is being made in looking at many more players than in the past and getting them involved and exposed to the national team culture earlier can only help.

The rest of the world comment...I give you that there are many more oppurtunites for women's soccer now in other countries than in the past. The US was certainly an early adopter which allowed for the early dominance. Title IX and college teams played a big part in that early success. But, I don't think everything is rosy though in all countries with women's leagues. I posted it earlier but will post again. It's not great with the Barca - the women's squad is pretty limited in roster construction and salary due to the heavy debt on the men's side. But, the Spanish women overall are certainly really, really good. Competition is a good thing, but needs to be addressed and handled well. I don't think that was done the right way when Vlatko was running things, but I have more confidence in Emma Hayes & Co.

Oh well. Different opinions. It will be interesting to see how things play out both in the near and long term future.

You actually Think Olympics mean anything. Lawd ave mersay

And you think they don't? And?

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

Then stfu and have your kids quit playing, or only play rec. Better yet, move to another country where you think you will be happier and it will be so much better for your child wise. Or, you can sit quietly because we don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

Then stfu and have your kids quit playing, or only play rec. Better yet, move to another country where you think you will be happier and it will be so much better for your child wise. Or, you can sit quietly because we don't care.

Hahaha why you so triggered? Only have a US passport and are stuck in the expensive fraud called “youth” soccer business? Hard luck, mate!

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What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

Then stfu and have your kids quit playing, or only play rec. Better yet, move to another country where you think you will be happier and it will be so much better for your child wise. Or, you can sit quietly because we don't care.

Hahaha why you so triggered? Only have a US passport and are stuck in the expensive fraud called “youth” soccer business? Hard luck, mate!

Not triggered. I'm just telling you to stfu and whine somewhere else or have your kid play rec.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

Population is related to soccer success? Did anyone tell China and India or no?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US has the population and resources to be very competitive in any sport that is popular enough to attract the best athletes toward that sport. For US women as long as soccer continues to grow in popularity and the best girl athletes continue to play soccer, WNT will stay competitive. It’s why we remain at the top in men’s basketball, football, track and field, but not men’s soccer. Soccer is different for girls than boys in the US. It is a tier 1 sport for girls along with basketball, volleyball. Maybe flag football becomes a tier 1 sport for girls but I don’t see soccer dropping in popularity for girls in the US. Trinity Rodman is a big reason why. I wish US men’s soccer had a player like her to bring more boys into the sport.

Costa Rica population 4.8 million
California alone is about 38-39 million

Costa Rica with a domestic league comprised of ONLY 10 teams was capable of reaching World Cup quarter finals in 2014.

The US has only achieved that once and it was in 2002.

Please, accept our pay2play scam model is a huge fraud. No matter how you look at it.

Scam and fraud? What’re you talking about?

What’s not being delivered? Your DS’s club didn’t turn him into Messi and you’re mad about it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.