Women's U.S. National Team

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

For girls:

ECNL is not a guarantee unless it is top 10 nationally in the age group. Outside of the Top 10, top and mid table teams might see 5 D1 commits or more. Bottom table ECNL may not even get 2 or 3.

GA has even less of a chance with top 5 nationally seeing maybe half of the team committing to D1. Outside of that, GA playoff teams may see anywhere from 1 to 4 players. If a team is not GA playoffs, the majority will not have any D1 players. Most will play D2 or D3.

The biggest myth is that anyone can play D3 which just isn't true. Usually you will see the very top HS players outside of ECNL and GA move on to D3. Bench players in GA will likely not make it to the D3 level. ECRL is similar to GA but with even less moving on to the next level.

Proof? For the class of 2027, in NOVA, their is only 8 GA players committed and most of those come from NVA who benefit from being in ECNL last season. One just reclassified to 2026. Meanwhile in the entire DMV, there is only one 2027 USYS player who is committed to D1.

Financial Stuff:

Full Ride: tuition; room and board paid for
Full Scholarship: Just tuition

Outside of P4, especially those schools without a football or successful basketball program do not give a full scholarship or full ride. Many P4s do not offer full rides. Don't believe what parents post on here, they are just feeding their egos.

Schools in leagues like the Patriot and Ivy who opted out have little money to give...IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER $200k. Or, if you are lucky enough to go to Navy or West Point which are free. These are the big academic schools everyone loves to talk about. Works out if you are either poor, wealthy, of saved a lot of money for your child. After room and board, most of these schools are $80k/year.

Then you have the schools that use the loop hole of in-state tuition. Only state schools practice this and it is looked down upon by private competitors. At the same time this amounts to at least 50% cost reduction before any athletic or academic scholarships.

As for D2, a top player who is equal to a mid-major late recruit (little to no scholarship), can expect a 25% to 50% athletic scholarship as well as academic scholarships. D2 schools usually have enough money to do this with 2, maybe three players per year but that is it. Problem with D2 is the academic level is not on par with D1 or D3.

D3 is academic only but careful on this one. Top schools like Washu do not offer any academic help and really is for the wealthy. Their are actually quite a few D3s that practice the same thing as WashU.

Oh, and on subject, IMO the USYNT is a complete sham. Many spots are undeserved due to politics, dual citizenships, and other BS. Many USWNT were never even part of the USYNT. The older ages, U18 and up, I consider to be the real players with a real chance.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

If you don’t know anything on the subject, please do us all a favor and don’t comment on it. Theirs is no such thing as playing for your local team in Europe at minimal cost without subsidy. All European academies and teams are heavily subsidized by their governments and UEFA. All local clubs are heavily subsidized by their municipalities who pay for coaches and fields.

I don’t know what you do for a living but I get the feeling you just collect a bi-weekly check and don’t think about these things very much. Do the work, educate yourself, travel a bit, talk to people, learn, then talk. And until then, listen. Everyone is Europe envies the college system in the US because it provides an opportunity for players who are not going pro to get some return on the years of investment in their sport. And I’m not talking about basketball or baseball because this isn’t that kind of party and nobody here cares.
Soccer in the US is the stepchild of pro sports and simply doesn’t have the same level of support on the professional level, men or women.

Being a D1 soccer player still comes with more financial benefits and perks than the average pro player. Many of the girls that US soccer is investing in bringing to IDs and camps over and over again have no intention of pursuing soccer as a career. They’re merely using the exposure to get to the best college with the best financial deal. They will not be pursuing soccer beyond those four years. Their peers in Europe are in soccer academies, with the sole goal of becoming pros. The large US pool is only an advantage in the young age groups, their competitiveness on the senior level will continue to decline if they don’t take it seriously and treat it as all other professional sports and the way it is treated abroad.

Your point is a fair one here and should have been investigated further. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. It's not really p2p for the elite players. Once they're id'd, the clubs will cover the fees. Trainers will train them for free bc they can use them for social media posts to bring in younger players.

Top girl players are training for free with NWSL teams, sometimes fulltime, up until they head to college (with a few of them choosing to go pro instead).

Hahaha you sound as if US men team has ever won anything. Meanwhile you have Europe dominating World Cup for decades on end until the last one with Argentina getting that Masonic treatment for the win (cue that black Saturn symbolism they had Messi lift the trophy with).

Note: it’s Cristiano’s turn this summer (Simpson already “predicted” it)

I was talking about the women's side.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

If you don’t know anything on the subject, please do us all a favor and don’t comment on it. Theirs is no such thing as playing for your local team in Europe at minimal cost without subsidy. All European academies and teams are heavily subsidized by their governments and UEFA. All local clubs are heavily subsidized by their municipalities who pay for coaches and fields.

I don’t know what you do for a living but I get the feeling you just collect a bi-weekly check and don’t think about these things very much. Do the work, educate yourself, travel a bit, talk to people, learn, then talk. And until then, listen. Everyone is Europe envies the college system in the US because it provides an opportunity for players who are not going pro to get some return on the years of investment in their sport. And I’m not talking about basketball or baseball because this isn’t that kind of party and nobody here cares.
Soccer in the US is the stepchild of pro sports and simply doesn’t have the same level of support on the professional level, men or women.

Being a D1 soccer player still comes with more financial benefits and perks than the average pro player. Many of the girls that US soccer is investing in bringing to IDs and camps over and over again have no intention of pursuing soccer as a career. They’re merely using the exposure to get to the best college with the best financial deal. They will not be pursuing soccer beyond those four years. Their peers in Europe are in soccer academies, with the sole goal of becoming pros. The large US pool is only an advantage in the young age groups, their competitiveness on the senior level will continue to decline if they don’t take it seriously and treat it as all other professional sports and the way it is treated abroad.

I can guarantee it’s the exact opposite. Absolutely nobody gives a crap about the US as a whole, let alone the athletics in university.

LMAO

You have no clue. Go ahead and guarantee it, would love to see it. Everyone on the girls side aboard wishes they have the athletic college scholarships. More foreign players will keep coming to the US college programs, everyone who’s not in an academy abroad already. Talked to players, coaches, club and national directors in three countries in Europe this summer. I know what they told me and what the realities there are. It wasn’t much of a subject a few years ago but now that they are also developing a large pool of players, they’re looking for opportunities.

So, all these female academy players in Europe, if they don't turn pro, since that's the goal, what to they do if they don't get that pro contract? Are they done? There hasn't been the huge saturation of foreign players yet on US women's college programs, but when reviewing rosters there seem to be more and more. Are you saying that will happen similar to the men's programs at many colleges? You appear well connected with multiple countries, clubs, directors abroad. What has allowed you to develop such relationships because it seems outside of the norm for just a regular Joe that is a fan of the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. It's not really p2p for the elite players. Once they're id'd, the clubs will cover the fees. Trainers will train them for free bc they can use them for social media posts to bring in younger players.

Top girl players are training for free with NWSL teams, sometimes fulltime, up until they head to college (with a few of them choosing to go pro instead).

Hahaha you sound as if US men team has ever won anything. Meanwhile you have Europe dominating World Cup for decades on end until the last one with Argentina getting that Masonic treatment for the win (cue that black Saturn symbolism they had Messi lift the trophy with).

Note: it’s Cristiano’s turn this summer (Simpson already “predicted” it)

I was talking about the women's side.

Based on everything that has been said here, the US Women are in a state of decline and will soon to not being able to make it out a group stage at the World Cup.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

Being recruited, actually getting scholarship money and legitimately playing at a top 30 D1 girls program/team is really hard. You need speed, skills, size, metality or some combination of those to fit into the right team, coach and then if that all works out, somehow, stay healthly. It's extremely rare.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

For girls:

ECNL is not a guarantee unless it is top 10 nationally in the age group. Outside of the Top 10, top and mid table teams might see 5 D1 commits or more. Bottom table ECNL may not even get 2 or 3.

GA has even less of a chance with top 5 nationally seeing maybe half of the team committing to D1. Outside of that, GA playoff teams may see anywhere from 1 to 4 players. If a team is not GA playoffs, the majority will not have any D1 players. Most will play D2 or D3.

The biggest myth is that anyone can play D3 which just isn't true. Usually you will see the very top HS players outside of ECNL and GA move on to D3. Bench players in GA will likely not make it to the D3 level. ECRL is similar to GA but with even less moving on to the next level.

Proof? For the class of 2027, in NOVA, their is only 8 GA players committed and most of those come from NVA who benefit from being in ECNL last season. One just reclassified to 2026. Meanwhile in the entire DMV, there is only one 2027 USYS player who is committed to D1.

Financial Stuff:

Full Ride: tuition; room and board paid for
Full Scholarship: Just tuition

Outside of P4, especially those schools without a football or successful basketball program do not give a full scholarship or full ride. Many P4s do not offer full rides. Don't believe what parents post on here, they are just feeding their egos.

Schools in leagues like the Patriot and Ivy who opted out have little money to give...IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER $200k. Or, if you are lucky enough to go to Navy or West Point which are free. These are the big academic schools everyone loves to talk about. Works out if you are either poor, wealthy, of saved a lot of money for your child. After room and board, most of these schools are $80k/year.

Then you have the schools that use the loop hole of in-state tuition. Only state schools practice this and it is looked down upon by private competitors. At the same time this amounts to at least 50% cost reduction before any athletic or academic scholarships.

As for D2, a top player who is equal to a mid-major late recruit (little to no scholarship), can expect a 25% to 50% athletic scholarship as well as academic scholarships. D2 schools usually have enough money to do this with 2, maybe three players per year but that is it. Problem with D2 is the academic level is not on par with D1 or D3.

D3 is academic only but careful on this one. Top schools like Washu do not offer any academic help and really is for the wealthy. Their are actually quite a few D3s that practice the same thing as WashU.

Oh, and on subject, IMO the USYNT is a complete sham. Many spots are undeserved due to politics, dual citizenships, and other BS. Many USWNT were never even part of the USYNT. The older ages, U18 and up, I consider to be the real players with a real chance.

So easy to refute. There are mid table GA clubs that have 10+ D1 commits. Remember there are 300+ D1 programs with an average of 6-7 recruits a year. So where do they all come from? Does Solar have 150 D1 recruits these days?

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

For girls:

ECNL is not a guarantee unless it is top 10 nationally in the age group. Outside of the Top 10, top and mid table teams might see 5 D1 commits or more. Bottom table ECNL may not even get 2 or 3.

GA has even less of a chance with top 5 nationally seeing maybe half of the team committing to D1. Outside of that, GA playoff teams may see anywhere from 1 to 4 players. If a team is not GA playoffs, the majority will not have any D1 players. Most will play D2 or D3.

The biggest myth is that anyone can play D3 which just isn't true. Usually you will see the very top HS players outside of ECNL and GA move on to D3. Bench players in GA will likely not make it to the D3 level. ECRL is similar to GA but with even less moving on to the next level.

Proof? For the class of 2027, in NOVA, their is only 8 GA players committed and most of those come from NVA who benefit from being in ECNL last season. One just reclassified to 2026. Meanwhile in the entire DMV, there is only one 2027 USYS player who is committed to D1.

Financial Stuff:

Full Ride: tuition; room and board paid for
Full Scholarship: Just tuition

Outside of P4, especially those schools without a football or successful basketball program do not give a full scholarship or full ride. Many P4s do not offer full rides. Don't believe what parents post on here, they are just feeding their egos.

Schools in leagues like the Patriot and Ivy who opted out have little money to give...IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER $200k. Or, if you are lucky enough to go to Navy or West Point which are free. These are the big academic schools everyone loves to talk about. Works out if you are either poor, wealthy, of saved a lot of money for your child. After room and board, most of these schools are $80k/year.

Then you have the schools that use the loop hole of in-state tuition. Only state schools practice this and it is looked down upon by private competitors. At the same time this amounts to at least 50% cost reduction before any athletic or academic scholarships.

As for D2, a top player who is equal to a mid-major late recruit (little to no scholarship), can expect a 25% to 50% athletic scholarship as well as academic scholarships. D2 schools usually have enough money to do this with 2, maybe three players per year but that is it. Problem with D2 is the academic level is not on par with D1 or D3.

D3 is academic only but careful on this one. Top schools like Washu do not offer any academic help and really is for the wealthy. Their are actually quite a few D3s that practice the same thing as WashU.

Oh, and on subject, IMO the USYNT is a complete sham. Many spots are undeserved due to politics, dual citizenships, and other BS. Many USWNT were never even part of the USYNT. The older ages, U18 and up, I consider to be the real players with a real chance.

Yeah this poster gets all his info from IAMYOUTHSOCCER it appears. That is nowhere near a compete list of commitments. Go directly to club college commitment pages for accurate info. Mid table GA clubs would sort of by definition be outside the top 100 correct? So go pull Lamorida or Utah Celtic or Beading or FC United pages for info.

Just as an example, here is the FC United college commitment page. Just look at most recent complete years of 2025 or 2024.

Also your D3 info is also not accurate. It is pretty well known that D3 packages rival and often surpass financial help from D1s because their resources are vast with regard to their endowments. They just dont call them athletic scholarships. No idea about WashU specifically but it would shock me if all the girls on that roster are paying $320K for a 4 year degree.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

For girls:

ECNL is not a guarantee unless it is top 10 nationally in the age group. Outside of the Top 10, top and mid table teams might see 5 D1 commits or more. Bottom table ECNL may not even get 2 or 3.

GA has even less of a chance with top 5 nationally seeing maybe half of the team committing to D1. Outside of that, GA playoff teams may see anywhere from 1 to 4 players. If a team is not GA playoffs, the majority will not have any D1 players. Most will play D2 or D3.

The biggest myth is that anyone can play D3 which just isn't true. Usually you will see the very top HS players outside of ECNL and GA move on to D3. Bench players in GA will likely not make it to the D3 level. ECRL is similar to GA but with even less moving on to the next level.

Proof? For the class of 2027, in NOVA, their is only 8 GA players committed and most of those come from NVA who benefit from being in ECNL last season. One just reclassified to 2026. Meanwhile in the entire DMV, there is only one 2027 USYS player who is committed to D1.

Financial Stuff:

Full Ride: tuition; room and board paid for
Full Scholarship: Just tuition

Outside of P4, especially those schools without a football or successful basketball program do not give a full scholarship or full ride. Many P4s do not offer full rides. Don't believe what parents post on here, they are just feeding their egos.

Schools in leagues like the Patriot and Ivy who opted out have little money to give...IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER $200k. Or, if you are lucky enough to go to Navy or West Point which are free. These are the big academic schools everyone loves to talk about. Works out if you are either poor, wealthy, of saved a lot of money for your child. After room and board, most of these schools are $80k/year.

Then you have the schools that use the loop hole of in-state tuition. Only state schools practice this and it is looked down upon by private competitors. At the same time this amounts to at least 50% cost reduction before any athletic or academic scholarships.

As for D2, a top player who is equal to a mid-major late recruit (little to no scholarship), can expect a 25% to 50% athletic scholarship as well as academic scholarships. D2 schools usually have enough money to do this with 2, maybe three players per year but that is it. Problem with D2 is the academic level is not on par with D1 or D3.

D3 is academic only but careful on this one. Top schools like Washu do not offer any academic help and really is for the wealthy. Their are actually quite a few D3s that practice the same thing as WashU.

Oh, and on subject, IMO the USYNT is a complete sham. Many spots are undeserved due to politics, dual citizenships, and other BS. Many USWNT were never even part of the USYNT. The older ages, U18 and up, I consider to be the real players with a real chance.

Yeah this poster gets all his info from IAMYOUTHSOCCER it appears. That is nowhere near a compete list of commitments. Go directly to club college commitment pages for accurate info. Mid table GA clubs would sort of by definition be outside the top 100 correct? So go pull Lamorida or Utah Celtic or Beading or FC United pages for info.

Just as an example, here is the FC United college commitment page. Just look at most recent complete years of 2025 or 2024.

Also your D3 info is also not accurate. It is pretty well known that D3 packages rival and often surpass financial help from D1s because their resources are vast with regard to their endowments. They just dont call them athletic scholarships. No idea about WashU specifically but it would shock me if all the girls on that roster are paying $320K for a 4 year degree.

https://www.chicagofcunited.com/site/?ID=1781

I count 14 D1 for class of 2025 including Duke, Ohio State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Utah, Colorado. Also high academic D3 like Wash U, Tufts, CT College, Carelton, Case and Amherst

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

For girls:

ECNL is not a guarantee unless it is top 10 nationally in the age group. Outside of the Top 10, top and mid table teams might see 5 D1 commits or more. Bottom table ECNL may not even get 2 or 3.

GA has even less of a chance with top 5 nationally seeing maybe half of the team committing to D1. Outside of that, GA playoff teams may see anywhere from 1 to 4 players. If a team is not GA playoffs, the majority will not have any D1 players. Most will play D2 or D3.

The biggest myth is that anyone can play D3 which just isn't true. Usually you will see the very top HS players outside of ECNL and GA move on to D3. Bench players in GA will likely not make it to the D3 level. ECRL is similar to GA but with even less moving on to the next level.

Proof? For the class of 2027, in NOVA, their is only 8 GA players committed and most of those come from NVA who benefit from being in ECNL last season. One just reclassified to 2026. Meanwhile in the entire DMV, there is only one 2027 USYS player who is committed to D1.

Financial Stuff:

Full Ride: tuition; room and board paid for
Full Scholarship: Just tuition

Outside of P4, especially those schools without a football or successful basketball program do not give a full scholarship or full ride. Many P4s do not offer full rides. Don't believe what parents post on here, they are just feeding their egos.

Schools in leagues like the Patriot and Ivy who opted out have little money to give...IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER $200k. Or, if you are lucky enough to go to Navy or West Point which are free. These are the big academic schools everyone loves to talk about. Works out if you are either poor, wealthy, of saved a lot of money for your child. After room and board, most of these schools are $80k/year.

Then you have the schools that use the loop hole of in-state tuition. Only state schools practice this and it is looked down upon by private competitors. At the same time this amounts to at least 50% cost reduction before any athletic or academic scholarships.

As for D2, a top player who is equal to a mid-major late recruit (little to no scholarship), can expect a 25% to 50% athletic scholarship as well as academic scholarships. D2 schools usually have enough money to do this with 2, maybe three players per year but that is it. Problem with D2 is the academic level is not on par with D1 or D3.

D3 is academic only but careful on this one. Top schools like Washu do not offer any academic help and really is for the wealthy. Their are actually quite a few D3s that practice the same thing as WashU.

Oh, and on subject, IMO the USYNT is a complete sham. Many spots are undeserved due to politics, dual citizenships, and other BS. Many USWNT were never even part of the USYNT. The older ages, U18 and up, I consider to be the real players with a real chance.

So easy to refute. There are mid table GA clubs that have 10+ D1 commits. Remember there are 300+ D1 programs with an average of 6-7 recruits a year. So where do they all come from? Does Solar have 150 D1 recruits these days?

Yep. 💯

You can tell which tiers they’re in by their lack of understanding of the numbers game aspect for the top tiers.

Now does the kid ride the bench? Maybe. Most kids are out of collegiate sports after 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

For girls:

ECNL is not a guarantee unless it is top 10 nationally in the age group. Outside of the Top 10, top and mid table teams might see 5 D1 commits or more. Bottom table ECNL may not even get 2 or 3.

GA has even less of a chance with top 5 nationally seeing maybe half of the team committing to D1. Outside of that, GA playoff teams may see anywhere from 1 to 4 players. If a team is not GA playoffs, the majority will not have any D1 players. Most will play D2 or D3.

The biggest myth is that anyone can play D3 which just isn't true. Usually you will see the very top HS players outside of ECNL and GA move on to D3. Bench players in GA will likely not make it to the D3 level. ECRL is similar to GA but with even less moving on to the next level.

Proof? For the class of 2027, in NOVA, their is only 8 GA players committed and most of those come from NVA who benefit from being in ECNL last season. One just reclassified to 2026. Meanwhile in the entire DMV, there is only one 2027 USYS player who is committed to D1.

Financial Stuff:

Full Ride: tuition; room and board paid for
Full Scholarship: Just tuition

Outside of P4, especially those schools without a football or successful basketball program do not give a full scholarship or full ride. Many P4s do not offer full rides. Don't believe what parents post on here, they are just feeding their egos.

Schools in leagues like the Patriot and Ivy who opted out have little money to give...IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER $200k. Or, if you are lucky enough to go to Navy or West Point which are free. These are the big academic schools everyone loves to talk about. Works out if you are either poor, wealthy, of saved a lot of money for your child. After room and board, most of these schools are $80k/year.

Then you have the schools that use the loop hole of in-state tuition. Only state schools practice this and it is looked down upon by private competitors. At the same time this amounts to at least 50% cost reduction before any athletic or academic scholarships.

As for D2, a top player who is equal to a mid-major late recruit (little to no scholarship), can expect a 25% to 50% athletic scholarship as well as academic scholarships. D2 schools usually have enough money to do this with 2, maybe three players per year but that is it. Problem with D2 is the academic level is not on par with D1 or D3.

D3 is academic only but careful on this one. Top schools like Washu do not offer any academic help and really is for the wealthy. Their are actually quite a few D3s that practice the same thing as WashU.

Oh, and on subject, IMO the USYNT is a complete sham. Many spots are undeserved due to politics, dual citizenships, and other BS. Many USWNT were never even part of the USYNT. The older ages, U18 and up, I consider to be the real players with a real chance.

So easy to refute. There are mid table GA clubs that have 10+ D1 commits. Remember there are 300+ D1 programs with an average of 6-7 recruits a year. So where do they all come from? Does Solar have 150 D1 recruits these days?

Yep. 💯

You can tell which tiers they’re in by their lack of understanding of the numbers game aspect for the top tiers.

Now does the kid ride the bench? Maybe. Most kids are out of collegiate sports after 2 years.

When you make the comment "does the kid ride the bench?", you are obviously stating that they failed. So all of the local girls on Gtown's roster that went there that "ride the bench" failed and should quit after 2 years? What is your point?

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Anonymous wrote:What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant.

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain. What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams. If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it. Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US. There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS. Baseball P2P model. I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers. This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao

Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school. It's a completely different system. But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride. Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university. The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here. It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover, Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual. Ask the Cavindet sisters.

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response? The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US. I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports. See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system. Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball. Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be. Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team? Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team. Good idea in my book.

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer, which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea, Bayern, Real Madid and etc train and play for free.

D1 is not a low-probability outcome. That idea is a tired American trope.

If your kid is playing in MLSN or ECNL, they have a very legitimate path to Division I soccer. The exposure, competition, and recruiting access are real.

If your kid is playing on a local, classic, “brown” team… yeah, the odds aren’t great.

And here’s the part people conveniently ignore: most kids are playing classic, and most of those kids are not trying to play Division I soccer in the first place.

The problem isn’t that D1 is unrealistic. The problem is pretending all pathways and all intentions are the same

For girls:

ECNL is not a guarantee unless it is top 10 nationally in the age group. Outside of the Top 10, top and mid table teams might see 5 D1 commits or more. Bottom table ECNL may not even get 2 or 3.

GA has even less of a chance with top 5 nationally seeing maybe half of the team committing to D1. Outside of that, GA playoff teams may see anywhere from 1 to 4 players. If a team is not GA playoffs, the majority will not have any D1 players. Most will play D2 or D3.

The biggest myth is that anyone can play D3 which just isn't true. Usually you will see the very top HS players outside of ECNL and GA move on to D3. Bench players in GA will likely not make it to the D3 level. ECRL is similar to GA but with even less moving on to the next level.

Proof? For the class of 2027, in NOVA, their is only 8 GA players committed and most of those come from NVA who benefit from being in ECNL last season. One just reclassified to 2026. Meanwhile in the entire DMV, there is only one 2027 USYS player who is committed to D1.

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Full Ride: tuition; room and board paid for
Full Scholarship: Just tuition

Outside of P4, especially those schools without a football or successful basketball program do not give a full scholarship or full ride. Many P4s do not offer full rides. Don't believe what parents post on here, they are just feeding their egos.

Schools in leagues like the Patriot and Ivy who opted out have little money to give...IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER $200k. Or, if you are lucky enough to go to Navy or West Point which are free. These are the big academic schools everyone loves to talk about. Works out if you are either poor, wealthy, of saved a lot of money for your child. After room and board, most of these schools are $80k/year.

Then you have the schools that use the loop hole of in-state tuition. Only state schools practice this and it is looked down upon by private competitors. At the same time this amounts to at least 50% cost reduction before any athletic or academic scholarships.

As for D2, a top player who is equal to a mid-major late recruit (little to no scholarship), can expect a 25% to 50% athletic scholarship as well as academic scholarships. D2 schools usually have enough money to do this with 2, maybe three players per year but that is it. Problem with D2 is the academic level is not on par with D1 or D3.

D3 is academic only but careful on this one. Top schools like Washu do not offer any academic help and really is for the wealthy. Their are actually quite a few D3s that practice the same thing as WashU.

Oh, and on subject, IMO the USYNT is a complete sham. Many spots are undeserved due to politics, dual citizenships, and other BS. Many USWNT were never even part of the USYNT. The older ages, U18 and up, I consider to be the real players with a real chance.

So easy to refute. There are mid table GA clubs that have 10+ D1 commits. Remember there are 300+ D1 programs with an average of 6-7 recruits a year. So where do they all come from? Does Solar have 150 D1 recruits these days?

Yep. 💯

You can tell which tiers they’re in by their lack of understanding of the numbers game aspect for the top tiers.

Now does the kid ride the bench? Maybe. Most kids are out of collegiate sports after 2 years.

When you make the comment "does the kid ride the bench?", you are obviously stating that they failed. So all of the local girls on Gtown's roster that went there that "ride the bench" failed and should quit after 2 years? What is your point?

Women's national team games were fairly boring during she believes cup. Rose Lavelle is easily and still the best player and it's not close.