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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What in the US is not pay2play? It's how businesses provide services in a capitalist economic system that relies on little to no government subsidy - you pay a fee, it pays for coaches, fields and leagues/management - all out of pocket expenses.

The US is a vast territory with a large population and the sports business on all levels is booming to try and keep up with the demand. [b]There is no way the US/State governments can subsidize the youth soccer expenses of millions of jimmy's and becky's whose parent think they are amazing athletes and must play minimum 3 sports. [/b] I get that you don't like it but calling it a scam or a fraud is just ignorant. [/quote]

IDK how much, if any government subsidies exist in funding youth soccer in England, Germany, the Netherlands or Spain.  What does happen there though is there is a robust club system that subsidies their top academy teams.  If your not playing for these academy teams, you are most likely playing for your local town team which has minimal cost associated with it.  Outside of the MLS Academies, that doesn't exist here in the US.  [b]There is also no college equivalent either in Europe...[/b]

For the most part, the P2P system works for basketball, football is still primarily driven by HS.  Baseball P2P model.  I don't think that the USA will ever get to a point on the men's side where they are consistently competing with the Euro or S. American powers.  This was a women's national team thread and I think, while the European teams and S. American certainly have made great strides and are really good, the USA will still compete due to the large female player pool that exists.

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[b]Because *checks notes* college/universities are for studying and not propping up ignorants and illiterates whose only skill and/or talent is athletics. [/b]Those ‘students’ receive grade inflation among other perks because that’s how the American pipeline is designed. That’s why also HS sports don’t really exist in Europe. Schools are for studying. Sports has outside outlets. Otherwise those college ‘students’ would be flippin’ burgers. If they even get their hs diploma. Which is another convo aside lol everyone gets a diploma in this country NCLB with phony classes like ‘cooking’ or ‘weight-lifting’ lmfao [/quote]
 
Yeah, lots of "clubs" in Europe for sports when in secondary school.  It's a completely different system.  But, plenty of ignorants and illiterates from Europe are certainly anxious then the come and take advantage of the system that you deride.  Good for them I suppose if they are able to continue their "soccer" careers here at a US university.   The US college athletic system and how it's gone completely off the rails is a whole other topic and not the one that was originally being discussed here.  It is pretty ridiculous when Carson Beck from U of Miami said he hadn't attended classes in 2 years and is still playing "college" football.  [/quote]

Comparing "big time" college football and soccer (men's and women's), even Power 4.schools, is a.fallacious argument. Moreover,  Carson Beck.is reputed.to.be an extremely odious individual.  Ask the Cavindet sisters.[/quote]

Not sure what point you are trying to disprove or prove with this response?   The comment was that the Euro "club" system for sports is very different than how youth sports are run here in the US.  I believe that is very true.

Correct, "big time" college football and men's and women's soccer aren't the same in many way, especially from a NIL (ie salary) standpoint, but the athletes do have access to similar training facilities, dining options, etc at schools, even outside the P4. But, there are outliers that are collecting $$ in lesser sports.  See NaJaree Canady @ Texas Tech softball.

What's interesting is how many washed out euro academy players coming over to lower D1 programs and below to play soccer and take advantage of the US college education system.  Who knew Marshall and Huntington West by God Virginia was such a draw!

And the comment about Carson Beck was more on how broken the system in US college athletics is, especially in the revenue driving sports like football and basketball.  Carson Beck is probably not the only player without any classes to attend regardless of how repulsive of an individual he may be.  Could care less what the twins have to say about him as well.

Anyway, how about that US Women's National Team?  Saw that they ran a developmental camp roster that is overlapped training time with the senior team.  Good idea in my book.  [/quote]

If your kid makes it to play D1 soccer,  which statistically is a low chance and with as much as you whine about clubs it leads me to believe your kid is maybe average at best, tell them not to attend class because that's how it works for "big time athletes" and see how it works out for them.

Also, you do realize not every kid is at a European academy? I ask this because some people here don't seem to understand this fact. As far as they know, every kid gets to sign up Chelsea,  Bayern,  Real Madid and etc train and play for free.[/quote]

Because this is an anonymous forum, I have no idea who I am responding to...anyway, this discussion has really gone off the rails.  I don't even know where that happened, but it began with folks talking about how different the US P2P landscape is versus Europe, in particular with soccer.  And then someone mentioned how high school sports and college sports are pretty much non-existent in Europe.  I agree and that's all true.  There's cricket clubs and rugby union clubs and soccer clubs etc, that all have youth teams.  And then there are the top level academies run by their A level teams.  And no kidding, every kid isn't playing for free at these A level academies.

As far as my kids, I had one that played soccer and never traveled overnight out of town. Loved the game, playing with friends, playing for their High School. Worked great for them.  Now enjoys playing pickup and low level adult leagues.  Perfect for them.  I have another that will play soccer in college at a D1 P4 level in 2027 and they have put in the time and effort to get to that point.   Have that same love of the game but made the commitment to themselves to be the best player that they could possibly be. All the stuff that goes along with the level of play.  Why on earth would I tell either of my kids, the non-athlete and athlete, not to attend class?  WTH?   That's the whole point of college, isn't it?  Sports is a vehicle to get there and help lower costs to us as parents, but the education is the priority.

I was making a point or at least trying to that the US college athletic system is damn near broken.  The NIL business has gotten out of hand and allowed all of that BS to continue to grow from happening behind the scenes (wink, wink) in big football and basketball and is now making it's way into pretty much everything.  Heck, the grocery bags of cash were happening back in the day of John Wooden's UCLA basketball teams and led to the death sentence for SMU football in the 80s.  Today the flow of $$ is all supposedly above board.

So, how about that USWNT?

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