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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

Always heard about Stratford program. What ELL program is colocated at the Heights?

My kid is at HB and it looks like it's just the support system in place for the kids who need those services and win the lottery but I'm not positive. BTW, my kid loves having the Shriver students co-located.

No that is not correct. There are students in a specific ELL program at HB and they are up to age 21 (at least). They do not get in through the regular lottery.

Why cant you post a link about this program?

I don't think there's a link for it. You don't publicly apply like the lottery. APS places the students who need it into it. It appears to be recent arrivals with high language needs. It shows up in the budget so if you're that interested you can find it there.

Hiding things in the budget is very sus.

So there is a hidden undocumented backdoor into HBW, not a separate ELL program at the Heights? How do they end up with 21 year olds in such a niche program? I cant believe it happens nearly as often as Langston program.

Opportunity hoarder.

Wanting programs out in the open with clear processes is hoarding opportunities?

But back to original question about 21 year olds at HBW. It sounds like its for ELL, and is a niche slice of the school, versus the core mission of Langston. I would suspect there may have been a coupe of 19 year olds over the last decade, but I guess without documentation on eligibility its hard to know how the ELL program functions. To be 21, they would enter their freshman year AS ADULTS at 18. Really? That is happening at HBW?

Some red shirted kids graduate at 20.

I think 19 at graduation would be the max age from regular redshirting.

My friend's son redshirted and then held him back a year. So he will be 20 when he graduates from Yorktown.

Thanks for clarifying. So 20 must be the current max age in APS for the high schools. It used to be 19. ELL students in the programs (not the comprehensive schools) aren't subject to that age limit.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

Always heard about Stratford program. What ELL program is colocated at the Heights?

My kid is at HB and it looks like it's just the support system in place for the kids who need those services and win the lottery but I'm not positive. BTW, my kid loves having the Shriver students co-located.

No that is not correct. There are students in a specific ELL program at HB and they are up to age 21 (at least). They do not get in through the regular lottery.

Why cant you post a link about this program?

I don't think there's a link for it. You don't publicly apply like the lottery. APS places the students who need it into it. It appears to be recent arrivals with high language needs. It shows up in the budget so if you're that interested you can find it there.

Hiding things in the budget is very sus.

So there is a hidden undocumented backdoor into HBW, not a separate ELL program at the Heights? How do they end up with 21 year olds in such a niche program? I cant believe it happens nearly as often as Langston program.

Opportunity hoarder.

Wanting programs out in the open with clear processes is hoarding opportunities?

But back to original question about 21 year olds at HBW. It sounds like its for ELL, and is a niche slice of the school, versus the core mission of Langston. I would suspect there may have been a coupe of 19 year olds over the last decade, but I guess without documentation on eligibility its hard to know how the ELL program functions. To be 21, they would enter their freshman year AS ADULTS at 18. Really? That is happening at HBW?

Some red shirted kids graduate at 20.

I think 19 at graduation would be the max age from regular redshirting.

My friend's son redshirted and then held him back a year. So he will be 20 when he graduates from Yorktown.

Thanks for clarifying. So 20 must be the current max age in APS for the high schools. It used to be 19. ELL students in the programs (not the comprehensive schools) aren't subject to that age limit.

So essentially, the participants in this program are older teens or adults who don’t speak English? Because they put even middle school aged kids with zero English in the regular schools who benefit from the intensive ELL resources and teachers at every school… The question is why do adults and old teens require a full time separate school/admins/building space all financed by APS? Why can’t Arlington County take this over with their existing progressive language county classes?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

Always heard about Stratford program. What ELL program is colocated at the Heights?

My kid is at HB and it looks like it's just the support system in place for the kids who need those services and win the lottery but I'm not positive. BTW, my kid loves having the Shriver students co-located.

No that is not correct. There are students in a specific ELL program at HB and they are up to age 21 (at least). They do not get in through the regular lottery.

Why cant you post a link about this program?

I don't think there's a link for it. You don't publicly apply like the lottery. APS places the students who need it into it. It appears to be recent arrivals with high language needs. It shows up in the budget so if you're that interested you can find it there.

Hiding things in the budget is very sus.

So there is a hidden undocumented backdoor into HBW, not a separate ELL program at the Heights? How do they end up with 21 year olds in such a niche program? I cant believe it happens nearly as often as Langston program.

Opportunity hoarder.

Wanting programs out in the open with clear processes is hoarding opportunities?

But back to original question about 21 year olds at HBW. It sounds like its for ELL, and is a niche slice of the school, versus the core mission of Langston. I would suspect there may have been a coupe of 19 year olds over the last decade, but I guess without documentation on eligibility its hard to know how the ELL program functions. To be 21, they would enter their freshman year AS ADULTS at 18. Really? That is happening at HBW?

Some red shirted kids graduate at 20.

I think 19 at graduation would be the max age from regular redshirting.

My friend's son redshirted and then held him back a year. So he will be 20 when he graduates from Yorktown.

Thanks for clarifying. So 20 must be the current max age in APS for the high schools. It used to be 19. ELL students in the programs (not the comprehensive schools) aren't subject to that age limit.

So essentially, the participants in this program are older teens or adults who don’t speak English? Because they put even middle school aged kids with zero English in the regular schools who benefit from the intensive ELL resources and teachers at every school… The question is why do adults and old teens require a full time separate school/admins/building space all financed by APS? Why can’t Arlington County take this over with their existing progressive language county classes?

I didn't know about the ELL pathway but the programs are peppered throughout the system. Its in the neighborhood transfer doc.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

Every school districts I have worked for (including poor districts) had a separate alternative high school. Either way I am a current APS teacher and parent and don’t trust them to pull this off well.

I dont trust them to pull it off well either. Not because it could not work in theory but because of the last minute switch without adequate thought or planning.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

It has dampened my enthusiasm as a middle school parent. Some of it is my own ignorance of the program and who they serve, but I worked many years in special education for many years and I know how much is required to get that type of placement. They shouldn’t be moved in what seems like an afterthought.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

They are growing it by adding about 100 kids to every freshman class not just doing it all at once. So if they add 100, the waitlist will be at least 80 for the next incoming class. However, they have an incredible new building coming online soon so the waitlist will grow.

Why do you dislike AT so much?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

They are growing it by adding about 100 kids to every freshman class not just doing it all at once. So if they add 100, the waitlist will be at least 80 for the next incoming class. However, they have an incredible new building coming online soon so the waitlist will grow.

Why do you dislike AT so much?

We have no way of knowing what future waitlist numbers will look like it just depends on how many kids apply and decide to stay on the waitlist. Also, from talking to tech parents, there are a decent number of kids who start there in ninth grade and then go back to their homeschool. Tech needs to remain desirable to grow, and hopefully they can do that. Switching plans around six months before the school year starts isn’t inspiring confidence in people.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

AT will remain filled and given it's project-based learning, it will remain a popular choice. Even at 1300, it's "small" for Arlington and seems smaller. All the teachers know all the kids and all the kids know each other in their grade.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary