Grace Hopper Center Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

Always heard about Stratford program. What ELL program is colocated at the Heights?

My kid is at HB and it looks like it's just the support system in place for the kids who need those services and win the lottery but I'm not positive. BTW, my kid loves having the Shriver students co-located.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

Maybe but the vibe I get at AT is that the different program people do their own thing and the different groups don't co-mingle much. Most of the kids in the ACC are tech students which is a very specific self-selecting group. I don't think they are prone to bullying. But to be clear, I 100% support the Langston program remaining. We need 'choices' for kids like those served by the program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

Always heard about Stratford program. What ELL program is colocated at the Heights?

My kid is at HB and it looks like it's just the support system in place for the kids who need those services and win the lottery but I'm not positive. BTW, my kid loves having the Shriver students co-located.

Can PP comment? So there arent any 21 year olds running around HBW? They will only be at AT? That is depressing, I had high hopes for AT, but this will make it even more boys only — having adult men roaming the halls with freshman girls… ugh

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

Maybe but the vibe I get at AT is that the different program people do their own thing and the different groups don't co-mingle much. Most of the kids in the ACC are tech students which is a very specific self-selecting group. I don't think they are prone to bullying. But to be clear, I 100% support the Langston program remaining. We need 'choices' for kids like those served by the program.

So they are in different buildings, no shared hallways, facilities, restrooms. Just neighbors across the street?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

Maybe but the vibe I get at AT is that the different program people do their own thing and the different groups don't co-mingle much. Most of the kids in the ACC are tech students which is a very specific self-selecting group. I don't think they are prone to bullying. But to be clear, I 100% support the Langston program remaining. We need 'choices' for kids like those served by the program.

So they are in different buildings, no shared hallways, facilities, restrooms. Just neighbors across the street?

I drove by the construction site last week and the Grace Hopper Campus is one large building. I doubt the architects designed completely separated spaces, since the proposal to include Langston et al was a very recent change. So Grace Hopper is not like the W-L campus which has the separate Annex / planetarium buildings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

Maybe but the vibe I get at AT is that the different program people do their own thing and the different groups don't co-mingle much. Most of the kids in the ACC are tech students which is a very specific self-selecting group. I don't think they are prone to bullying. But to be clear, I 100% support the Langston program remaining. We need 'choices' for kids like those served by the program.

So they are in different buildings, no shared hallways, facilities, restrooms. Just neighbors across the street?

I drove by the construction site last week and the Grace Hopper Campus is one large building. I doubt the architects designed completely separated spaces, since the proposal to include Langston et al was a very recent change. So Grace Hopper is not like the W-L campus which has the separate Annex / planetarium buildings.

Too bad. I had hopes for AT but this seeks pretty debilitating

[Anonymous]

AT will be fine.

The bigger question is if the Langston program will be ok since it’s much more vulnerable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

Maybe but the vibe I get at AT is that the different program people do their own thing and the different groups don't co-mingle much. Most of the kids in the ACC are tech students which is a very specific self-selecting group. I don't think they are prone to bullying. But to be clear, I 100% support the Langston program remaining. We need 'choices' for kids like those served by the program.

Students from every high school in Arlington will be able to take classes at GHC. I am not suggesting AT students are prone to bullying but that some students at Langston are there because they were bullied (or potentially are bullies) and needed a more supportive placement away from larger populations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

Always heard about Stratford program. What ELL program is colocated at the Heights?

My kid is at HB and it looks like it's just the support system in place for the kids who need those services and win the lottery but I'm not positive. BTW, my kid loves having the Shriver students co-located.

No that is not correct. There are students in a specific ELL program at HB and they are up to age 21 (at least). They do not get in through the regular lottery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

Always heard about Stratford program. What ELL program is colocated at the Heights?

My kid is at HB and it looks like it's just the support system in place for the kids who need those services and win the lottery but I'm not positive. BTW, my kid loves having the Shriver students co-located.

Can PP comment? So there arent any 21 year olds running around HBW? They will only be at AT? That is depressing, I had high hopes for AT, but this will make it even more boys only — having adult men roaming the halls with freshman girls… ugh

No this is wrong. There are 21 year olds at the Heights in the ELL program which is co located with HB. Not sure how much they mix with HB students in classes because these student are learning English. But definitely in the same buildiing and they all graduate together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

Maybe but the vibe I get at AT is that the different program people do their own thing and the different groups don't co-mingle much. Most of the kids in the ACC are tech students which is a very specific self-selecting group. I don't think they are prone to bullying. But to be clear, I 100% support the Langston program remaining. We need 'choices' for kids like those served by the program.

So they are in different buildings, no shared hallways, facilities, restrooms. Just neighbors across the street?

I drove by the construction site last week and the Grace Hopper Campus is one large building. I doubt the architects designed completely separated spaces, since the proposal to include Langston et al was a very recent change. So Grace Hopper is not like the W-L campus which has the separate Annex / planetarium buildings.

Good point. Maybe this co-location could have worked if they designed separate spaces for it like they did for the Shriver program and HB. But this is just poor planning on APS's part.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is APS hobbling AT out the gate by colocating with students with absentees issues, criminal records, drug use and court mandated treatment, and students up to the age of 21?

My 7th grade DD is a nerdy science loving kid, but this mixed environment makes it a non starter for us.

HB has been colocated with an English Language Learner program with students up to age 21 for many years, meaning you have 11 year olds in the same building as 20 year olds. Seems to work out ok.

HBW benefits from the 100 students per grade cohort. AT will be about 400 per grade. And delayed because of language is way different than delay time from juvie or having dropped out.

Some Langston kids also aged out due to health problems resulting in being held back a year or two. Others just didn't fit in well
in a large high school setting, i.e., with a large population. So it's not all behavioral problems. But behavior concerns are why Langston and similar programs in Fairfax County are located away from schools with a large population. Also some the students are older (early 20s). Every district has a small program like this.

Yes, it’s also a protective environment for students who have been bullied. Moving it to GHC might have kids face to face with their bullies again.

Maybe but the vibe I get at AT is that the different program people do their own thing and the different groups don't co-mingle much. Most of the kids in the ACC are tech students which is a very specific self-selecting group. I don't think they are prone to bullying. But to be clear, I 100% support the Langston program remaining. We need 'choices' for kids like those served by the program.

Students from every high school in Arlington will be able to take classes at GHC. I am not suggesting AT students are prone to bullying but that some students at Langston are there because they were bullied (or potentially are bullies) and needed a more supportive placement away from larger populations

I understand but the kids who take classes come just to the first and last sessions, I think. Point taken either way and I really hope the Langston program is protected. Not because I don't want 21 yr olds around freshman girls but because it's a program that's working as designed so why mess with it?

[Anonymous]

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AT will be fine.

The bigger question is if the Langston program will be ok since it’s much more vulnerable.

Exactly. Also, AT has a huge wait list that will grow as the new building opens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

AT will be fine.

The bigger question is if the Langston program will be ok since it’s much more vulnerable.

Exactly. Also, AT has a huge wait list that will grow as the new building opens.

I just checked the transfer document. the waitlist for AT went from under 100 last year to nearly 200 this year. But I can't tell what i'm seeing for this year. Might be 25-26 but also might be 26-27. This program dwarfs the others. To the person worried about freshmen with adults, this building will also contain the program for teenage mothers and child care for their kids. So lot's of women and much younger children.