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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary

Seeing as there are no relocatables on the campus, all the students fit within the main building and the annex. So the population could not be 3,000 students currently.

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Arlington is NOT a big school district in local terms. This is a good thing for Arlingtonians.

Both Fairfax County and Montgomery County are large local public school districts. Either is MUCH larger than Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary

They also can adjust HS boundaries and manage transfers into W-L to keep the agreed 2700 limit.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary

They also can adjust HS boundaries and manage transfers into W-L to keep the agreed 2700 limit.

If they can’t drum up interest in AT, the only way that will happen is if they sacrifice the IB program and block all the high performing students from YT.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary

They also can adjust HS boundaries and manage transfers into W-L to keep the agreed 2700 limit.

If they can’t drum up interest in AT, the only way that will happen is if they sacrifice the IB program and block all the high performing students from YT.

if interest wanes they’ll just keep adding or moving smaller programs to the campus to utilize the space

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary

They also can adjust HS boundaries and manage transfers into W-L to keep the agreed 2700 limit.

If they can’t drum up interest in AT, the only way that will happen is if they sacrifice the IB program and block all the high performing students from YT.

Why do you keep saying they need to drum up interest in AT. That's false. It currently has 180 people on the freshmen wait list. My kid is a and none of his classmates have gone to a home school. The only one I know who left didn't go back to homeschool.

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AT had all current APS middle school kids tour the school. Mine had never heard of it before but came home saying she wants to apply…and she’s not a kid I would have pegged for tech (English and theater are her favorite classes). I’m guessing they don’t have trouble filling the spots.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary

They also can adjust HS boundaries and manage transfers into W-L to keep the agreed 2700 limit.

If they can’t drum up interest in AT, the only way that will happen is if they sacrifice the IB program and block all the high performing students from YT.

Why do you keep saying they need to drum up interest in AT. That's false. It currently has 180 people on the freshmen wait list. My kid is an and none of his classmates have gone to a home school. The only one I know who left didn't go back to homeschool.

180 x 4 would be an additional 720 kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

WL is not currently 3,000 students. The school board voted (around 2017 or so) to limit W-L to 2,700 max when the new Annex building opened. And that was based on lots of neighborhood outreach and coordination with the PTA, after it was determined there was no viable site for a 4th high school.

They can’t limit a neighborhood school. They take anyone in boundary

They also can adjust HS boundaries and manage transfers into W-L to keep the agreed 2700 limit.

If they can’t drum up interest in AT, the only way that will happen is if they sacrifice the IB program and block all the high performing students from YT.

Why do you keep saying they need to drum up interest in AT. That's false. It currently has 180 people on the freshmen wait list. My kid is an and none of his classmates have gone to a home school. The only one I know who left didn't go back to homeschool.

180 x 4 would be an additional 720 kids.

that number can change, could go much higher or lower

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

They are growing it by adding about 100 kids to every freshman class not just doing it all at once. So if they add 100, the waitlist will be at least 80 for the next incoming class. However, they have an incredible new building coming online soon so the waitlist will grow.

Why do you dislike AT so much?

We have no way of knowing what future waitlist numbers will look like it just depends on how many kids apply and decide to stay on the waitlist. Also, from talking to tech parents, there are a decent number of kids who start there in ninth grade and then go back to their homeschool. Tech needs to remain desirable to grow, and hopefully they can do that. Switching plans around six months before the school year starts isn’t inspiring confidence in people.

Why are AT parents so upset about sharing a large new building with another small program? There are already multiple programs in that building. What's the issue with one more?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

They are growing it by adding about 100 kids to every freshman class not just doing it all at once. So if they add 100, the waitlist will be at least 80 for the next incoming class. However, they have an incredible new building coming online soon so the waitlist will grow.

Why do you dislike AT so much?

We have no way of knowing what future waitlist numbers will look like it just depends on how many kids apply and decide to stay on the waitlist. Also, from talking to tech parents, there are a decent number of kids who start there in ninth grade and then go back to their homeschool. Tech needs to remain desirable to grow, and hopefully they can do that. Switching plans around six months before the school year starts isn’t inspiring confidence in people.

Why are AT parents so upset about sharing a large new building with another small program? There are already multiple programs in that building. What's the issue with one more?

Most parents aren’t upset.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

They are growing it by adding about 100 kids to every freshman class not just doing it all at once. So if they add 100, the waitlist will be at least 80 for the next incoming class. However, they have an incredible new building coming online soon so the waitlist will grow.

Why do you dislike AT so much?

We have no way of knowing what future waitlist numbers will look like it just depends on how many kids apply and decide to stay on the waitlist. Also, from talking to tech parents, there are a decent number of kids who start there in ninth grade and then go back to their homeschool. Tech needs to remain desirable to grow, and hopefully they can do that. Switching plans around six months before the school year starts isn’t inspiring confidence in people.

Why are AT parents so upset about sharing a large new building with another small program? There are already multiple programs in that building. What's the issue with one more?

Its the nature of the programs being mixed; 22 year old adults with behavioral problems mixing with geeky 14 year olds doesn’t bode well. Ive seen an 80s movie.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

They are growing it by adding about 100 kids to every freshman class not just doing it all at once. So if they add 100, the waitlist will be at least 80 for the next incoming class. However, they have an incredible new building coming online soon so the waitlist will grow.

Why do you dislike AT so much?

We have no way of knowing what future waitlist numbers will look like it just depends on how many kids apply and decide to stay on the waitlist. Also, from talking to tech parents, there are a decent number of kids who start there in ninth grade and then go back to their homeschool. Tech needs to remain desirable to grow, and hopefully they can do that. Switching plans around six months before the school year starts isn’t inspiring confidence in people.

Why are AT parents so upset about sharing a large new building with another small program? There are already multiple programs in that building. What's the issue with one more?

I have been following this. The original proposal was to have separate principals and pathways that could limit the CTE offerings for Tech students. Since then they have reversed course on some of that but don’t have a lot of answers about the changes that will occur.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

They are growing it by adding about 100 kids to every freshman class not just doing it all at once. So if they add 100, the waitlist will be at least 80 for the next incoming class. However, they have an incredible new building coming online soon so the waitlist will grow.

Why do you dislike AT so much?

We have no way of knowing what future waitlist numbers will look like it just depends on how many kids apply and decide to stay on the waitlist. Also, from talking to tech parents, there are a decent number of kids who start there in ninth grade and then go back to their homeschool. Tech needs to remain desirable to grow, and hopefully they can do that. Switching plans around six months before the school year starts isn’t inspiring confidence in people.

Why are AT parents so upset about sharing a large new building with another small program? There are already multiple programs in that building. What's the issue with one more?

I have been following this. The original proposal was to have separate principals and pathways that could limit the CTE offerings for Tech students. Since then they have reversed course on some of that but don’t have a lot of answers about the changes that will occur.

Sorry, what exactly have they reversed course on?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The Langston program is filled with kids who are bullied but also adult men who are bullies and teens with children?

Who are we protecting from whom?

Arlington Tech parents don’t want any of this around their own kids. They don’t care about others.

It’s not easy to get that type of alternative placement, they don’t just hand them out. The students who are at Langston need to be there and for some of them it might be a safety issue that could impact a larger community but is well controlled while there. I have an eighth grader who applied to Arlington Tech. It does not seem like this plan is well thought out and I’m not sure I want to send them in the first year of an experimental program in a new building.

I have a kid at AT and it's not an experimental program but rather one being actively built. Currently, there are kids, probably some who are 21, who are there. But we had 21 yr olds at my high school. Very few. Here's the thing. The CTE kids stay to themselves. The teen moms stay to themselves and the AT kids are frankly, academically oriented in STEM. 1/2 of them are in robotics club! It's going to have great facilities and hosts a wonderful group of committed teachers. I hope your kid gets inand that they love it. If you must worry about the Langston people, worry that they are not getting their "choice" school.

I don’t think Arlington Tech is experimental, I think having an alternative high school co-located with what’s is essentially a regular high school is experimental. Especially because they can’t quite clarify how it will be run at this point and we are getting pretty close to the new school year for them to still be figuring that out (if this move happens.)

I’m an old timer Millennial, but there is nothing “experimental” for having all of your programs under the same roof. My HS had thousands of students and hosted honors programs, special needs programs, regular learner programs, select vo-tech programs, and discipline/alternative programs, all under the same roof. You had to be an extraordinarily special case medical or discipline wise to get a full day placement elsewhere because the district had to pay out the nose for it.

I’d venture to say that hosting most services under one roof is the norm in cost-constrained districts.

One other impact this could have is on an enthusiasm for Arlington Tech, when you were collocated with a Neighborhood high school people did not have a choice to not attend other than moving. APS is desperately trying to grow enrollment AT, and it’s unclear this may dampen growth

They are not desperately trying to grow enrollment. They are planfully growing enrollment with a 180+ person waitlist for the incoming Freshman class.

They plan to grow this program to 1100 to 1300 students. A 180 person waitlist is cute but will be gone in a year. They need to stoke demand to fill the much larger school, but part of the interest has been because it was a SMALL school.

I’m kind of getting fed up with the desire for “small” programs. We are a large district and we have to serve a lot of kids. If the interest is there for what AT offers, Arlington should meet the need. If there is little interest to the point that it’s not earning its keep, then drop the program.

The rest of the portfolio needs to go where there’s space with an eye toward reducing as much administrative overhead as possible. For the life of me I can’t figure out why these alternative programs for older learners are not being held after hours in existing schools.

There is huge demand for HBW but they keep it small. I don’t know why they didn’t expand it.

Part of why APS parents want small is the neighborhood high schools have gotten so large on small crowded campuses. They all have 140+ students per acre and WL is only rivaled by ACPS in size. The county’s refusal for a 4th comprehensive high school is barreling APS towards ACPS dynamics. WL is 3000 students now.

AT might have had demand as a TJHS style academic program, but it’s definitely got the perception of a vocational program, at best as a feeder to VT not CalTech. Lumping it with other non-academic focused programs just enforces that.

This. Another reason why it’s infuriating the County acts as if we do not have a school district here at all, as if we are not bursting at the seams with no space to go. “Let us approve 10000 more units here, and drop all the zoning restrictions for maximum density!”