Awful time to be a Michigan

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As a Michigan alum, I think Warde Manuel has got to go. Too many scandals.

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Anonymous wrote:alum and fan. Feel sorry for Sherrone Moore's wife, children, and the victim. This is beyond shocking and way surpasses what Mel Tucker did at Michigan State. Dude just torpedoed his life. What an unbelievable fall from grace. What a scandal that likely will get uglier as more details come to light in the next few days.

Given the sizable contingent of folks here who dislike Michigan, feel free to take your shots at the school. We deserve it.

I mean, props to Michigan for enforcing their no tolerance policy. Once upon a time, a university would look the other way or cover up such a sin by a head football coach. I mean, maybe him being black made it easier to drop the hammer, I don't know. But this probably wouldn't have happened a decade ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The University of Michigan is now a synonym for cheating.

Lol, no.

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Husband and I are headed to Orlando for the bowl game. Texas alumns. Feel terrible for the Michigan football team and hope that they can focus enough to make it a good game. Hook ‘em!

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She’s in her early 30s. She’s not 22. And she worked for him and was recently promoted and given a huge salary bump.

He was sleeping with a subordinate. It was a clear violation of his contract. That’s what got him fired. Had nothing to do with morals and doesn’t matter that he was married.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the whole scheme was concocted by ND to take the heat off of its AD and football program.

Careful, many ND fans really believe their alma mater has that kind of juice!

Assuming the AD at Michigan played a role in this decision, he's acquitting himself much better then Bevacqua this week.

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Anonymous wrote:The University of Michigan is now a synonym for cheating.

Lol, no.

Sure it is. Their most famous football alum has *multiple* cheating scandals.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the whole scheme was concocted by ND to take the heat off of its AD and football program.

Careful, many ND fans really believe their alma mater has that kind of juice!

Assuming the AD at Michigan played a role in this decision, he's acquitting himself much better then Bevacqua this week.

Lol the ND hater is relentless.

How exactly is he “acquitting himself much better” when it’s clear that he’s know about this for at least two weeks but held off until the end of the season and National Signing Day to do anything about it?

He’s going to have a lot of explaining to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I sort of figure that a third to half of the people playing football at a serious level are sociopaths. Anyone who looks to football players for any moral leadership are highly likely to be disappointed.
I don’t see how this affects the academics of a school.

It doesn’t. Why is this even in the college forum? Go discuss dumb sports gossip in sports.

This is a college/university forum and this is breaking news at a big flagship university. This isn’t a strictly academic forum. Lots of people post here to ask for practical advice in general or about certain aspects of a particular school. It’s perfectly appropriate for this thread to be posted here.

Pretty sure large percentage of male professors and college sports coaches/affiliates are not faithful to their wives.

He wasn’t fired for being a philanderer.

With a Michigan staffer.

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Anonymous wrote:The University of Michigan is now a synonym for cheating.

Lol, no.

Sure it is. Their most famous football alum has *multiple* cheating scandals.

So? No one GAF....

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Anonymous wrote:I think the fact he was paid $6 million a year to coach college football is more of a scandal than his cheating on his wife with some staffer.

Moore on a relative basis was underpaid.The scandal you refer to must be a problem with the marketplace generally and not specific to Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s in her early 30s. She’s not 22. And she worked for him and was recently promoted and given a huge salary bump.

He was sleeping with a subordinate. It was a clear violation of his contract. That’s what got him fired. Had nothing to do with morals and doesn’t matter that he was married.

Correct and of course people want to make their dumb jokes anyways. Now throw in the the threats and detainment, it's clear that was the only choice to make.

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Anonymous wrote:alum and fan. Feel sorry for Sherrone Moore's wife, children, and the victim. This is beyond shocking and way surpasses what Mel Tucker did at Michigan State. Dude just torpedoed his life. What an unbelievable fall from grace. What a scandal that likely will get uglier as more details come to light in the next few days.

Given the sizable contingent of folks here who dislike Michigan, feel free to take your shots at the school. We deserve it.

I mean, props to Michigan for enforcing their no tolerance policy. Once upon a time, a university would look the other way or cover up such a sin by a head football coach. I mean, maybe him being black made it easier to drop the hammer, I don't know. But this probably wouldn't have happened a decade ago.

You misspelled “harder”

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Anonymous wrote:alum and fan. Feel sorry for Sherrone Moore's wife, children, and the victim. This is beyond shocking and way surpasses what Mel Tucker did at Michigan State. Dude just torpedoed his life. What an unbelievable fall from grace. What a scandal that likely will get uglier as more details come to light in the next few days.

Given the sizable contingent of folks here who dislike Michigan, feel free to take your shots at the school. We deserve it.

If you truly love your school, why would you start this thread? Isn't there enough out there on social media to go around?

Because I'm interested in what academic-focused people think about the situation, including those who might dislike Michigan.

I can only speak for myself, but to me it says nothing about the academic value of a Michigan education. Nor does it say anything about the overall student experience at Michigan. (Though I would take a good look at everyone who had contact with Moore, including other staff and students. Rarely are these things completely discrete. Others were likely aware and complicit, and unfortunately, there may be other young women who were treated inappropriately or worse.)

My bigger issue is related to college sports as a whole. There's something very wrong with the system!

Moore is certainly not the first head coach of a big NCAA college sports team to be absolutely, 100% unqualified when it comes to personal conduct/judgment/untreated mental health issues. Yet somehow he was both hired and paid a small fortune to coach the school's flagship team.

Again, this is not unique to Michigan. I just read "Tell Me Everything," by Erika Krause. Highly recommend to everyone and anyone with a kid in college:

https://www.amazon.com/Tell-Me-Everything-Private-Investigation/dp/1250240301

It's the complex (and difficult at times to read) memoir of a woman who helped investigate the systemic abuse of women at a D1 Football program and the institution that condoned it over and over again. Wrenching story.

Going back to Michigan, the Board needs to hold the AD and other leadership accountable for this ridiculous hiring decision. And the school needs to take a good, hard look at the other coaches they have in place. Bring in the sunlight . . . and the lawyers!

P.S. I say all this as a massive college sports fan. But it's a poorly run business. Shockingly so. Though not all that different from big-name academic hiring. See, e.g., predators like Larry Summer. I'm disappointed to see how quickly that story faded out of the spotlight. It involves a lot more than some sketchy emails to Epstein. Summer should never again be given a position at Harvard or anywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:4 years ago the PRESIDENT of U of Mich was fired due to an inappropriate relationship with a staffer. And the school survived. I think they will be able to handle losing a mediocre football coach.

Oh, definitely.

The real question is how quickly they (or any other big sports program) would have taken decisive action if it had been an incredibly successful coach.

Answer: Never