Why does cigar smoking seem way more socially acceptable than cigarette smoking
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Anonymous
That smoking once when you're 19 is not at all relevant to this conversation, since no one would ever consider you a smoker. That smoking cigarettes on a regular basis is not better or worse than smoking cigars on a regular basis. |
Anonymous
NP. So what point is PP missing? |
Anonymous
It's precisely relevant to that conversation because we're talking about the effects of dosage. I used an example of a very low dose and a very high dose to set the boundaries of the conversation. The effects of smoking are highly dependent on the dose. Every link anyone has posted has agreed on that. They're all bad, but how bad they are varies a lot. Smoking half a pack a day is better for you than smoking a full pack a day. Early in this thread, someone mentioned 1 cigar every two weeks. All of the evidence about how dose effects work for smoking tells us that's safer than being a daily cigarette smoker, yet for some reason y'all can't accept that. |
Anonymous
OK please post a relevant study that says that exactly what you claim. |
Anonymous
I have. For cigars there's this: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1617-5 "Strong dose trends by cigars per day and inhalation level for primary cigar smoking were observed for oral, esophageal, laryngeal, and lung cancers." If you smoke fewer cigars or if you don't inhale, there's a lower risk of those cancers. For cigarettes you were talking about this link: https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk which says "People who consistently smoked an average of less than one cigarette per day over their lifetimes had a 64 percent higher risk of earlier death than never smokers, and those who smoked between one and 10 cigarettes a day had an 87 percent higher risk of earlier death than never smokers" So if you smoke less, your risk of death is lower than if you smoke more. |
Anonymous
That does not mean what you think it means. Results A total of 22 studies from 16 different prospective cohorts were identified. Primary cigar smoking (current, exclusive cigar smoking with no history of previous cigarette or pipe smoking) was associated with all cause-mortality, oral cancer, esophageal cancer, pancreatic cancer, laryngeal cancer, lung cancer, coronary heart disease (CHD), and aortic aneurysm. Strong dose trends by cigars per day and inhalation level for primary cigar smoking were observed for oral, esophageal, laryngeal, and lung cancers. Among primary cigar smokers reporting no inhalation, relative mortality risk was still highly elevated for oral, esophageal, and laryngeal cancers. Conclusions In summary, cigar smoking carries many of the same health risks as cigarette smoking. Mortality risks from cigar smoking vary by level of exposure as measured by cigars per day and inhalation level and can be as high as or exceed those of cigarette smoking. The body of evidence would be strengthened by future studies that focus on the health effects of primary cigar smoking and incorporate more contemporary and diverse study populations to better reflect the current patterns of cigar use in the US. Ideally, these studies would also collect detailed information on cigar type, exposure level, and biomarkers of exposure and potential harm. The long term effects of cigar smoking are virtually indistinguishable from those of cigarette smoking (if not worse) as stated by the study summary you posted. |
Anonymous
Is it really more harmful than cigarettes? I don't think so, because you don't inhale I'm not saying it's good for you, but you don't smoke 2 packs a day. In fact most men don't smoke even one a day Anyway, it's one if he few things men can do and women leave them alone completely 
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Anonymous
Five pages so far on how it is just as bad if not worse, but sure, ask the same dumb question agian. 
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Anonymous
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/
"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)." |
Anonymous
It can't possibly be as bad. Because most guys don't do it that often. It's not a daily habit |
Anonymous
“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers” Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk. |
Anonymous
What is primary cigar smoking? |
Anonymous
Smoking cigars but not also smoking cigarettes. |
Anonymous
| No one chain smokes cigars. |
Anonymous
| Cigar smoking was a fad awhile back - like 3 years ago. Now I just enjoy a good cigar 2 or 3 times a year. For most men there's just no equivalency to cigarette smoking |