Why does cigar smoking seem way more socially acceptable than cigarette smoking

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

There are multiple people in here pointing the same issue out to you over and over again. Get a clue.

What issue is that?

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

Still waiting for your proof that an occasional cigar leads to certain death and immediate cancer.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

Wasn't me. But you just want to argue that any and all smoking is bad no matter the frequency. Yet nothing you have posted says what you think it says.

The title is litteraly "No Safe Level of Smoking: Even low-intensity smokers are at increased risk of earlier death"

But sure, continue to fool yourself that there are no health outcomes for your cigar habit. I actually don't care. I just hate when morons dig in their heels.

I would never be around a cigar or a cigarette smoker. That alone connotes low IQ to me.

Not PP, but did you “litteraly” read the study, or just the title?

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Because it's viewed as a hobby and not an addiction? Most cigar smokers moke every so often, not a pack a day.

FTR, I think cigar smoke is gross smelling - worse than cigarette smoke - but I don't think of cigar smokers as "smokers". More like someone who likes hookah: it's occasional and when they're out for the night, not all day, every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

Still waiting for your proof that an occasional cigar leads to certain death and immediate cancer.

No such study will ever exist. You really don’t get how science works do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

Wasn't me. But you just want to argue that any and all smoking is bad no matter the frequency. Yet nothing you have posted says what you think it says.

The title is litteraly "No Safe Level of Smoking: Even low-intensity smokers are at increased risk of earlier death"

But sure, continue to fool yourself that there are no health outcomes for your cigar habit. I actually don't care. I just hate when morons dig in their heels.

I would never be around a cigar or a cigarette smoker. That alone connotes low IQ to me.

Not PP, but did you “litteraly” read the study, or just the title?

I did. Did you?

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

Still waiting for your proof that an occasional cigar leads to certain death and immediate cancer.

No such study will ever exist. You really don’t get how science works do you?

Lol. Do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

Still waiting for your proof that an occasional cigar leads to certain death and immediate cancer.

No such study will ever exist. You really don’t get how science works do you?

Lol. Do you?

Do you have anything of substance to say or are you just wasting everyone's time?

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

Still waiting for your proof that an occasional cigar leads to certain death and immediate cancer.

No such study will ever exist. You really don’t get how science works do you?

Lol. Do you?

Do you have anything of substance to say or are you just wasting everyone's time?

Look it's not their fault you are a federal slave.

I have no idea what you're blabbering about.

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I just bite it. It's for the look. I don't light it.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's viewed as a hobby and not an addiction? Most cigar smokers moke every so often, not a pack a day.

FTR, I think cigar smoke is gross smelling - worse than cigarette smoke - but I don't think of cigar smokers as "smokers". More like someone who likes hookah: it's occasional and when they're out for the night, not all day, every day.

Hookah feels cleaner because all smoke goes into your lungs, not on your skin and clothes 😂

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

Wasn't me. But you just want to argue that any and all smoking is bad no matter the frequency. Yet nothing you have posted says what you think it says.

The title is litteraly "No Safe Level of Smoking: Even low-intensity smokers are at increased risk of earlier death"

But sure, continue to fool yourself that there are no health outcomes for your cigar habit. I actually don't care. I just hate when morons dig in their heels.

I would never be around a cigar or a cigarette smoker. That alone connotes low IQ to me.

Not understanding the difference between "safe" and "safer" says worse things about your IQ.

I smoked part of a cigar once at 19, and haven't touched one since. The was safer than smoking a pack a day for forty years. Somewhere between those two extremes the risks are the same. What people are discussing is where that point is most likely to lie.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

Wasn't me. But you just want to argue that any and all smoking is bad no matter the frequency. Yet nothing you have posted says what you think it says.

The title is litteraly "No Safe Level of Smoking: Even low-intensity smokers are at increased risk of earlier death"

But sure, continue to fool yourself that there are no health outcomes for your cigar habit. I actually don't care. I just hate when morons dig in their heels.

I would never be around a cigar or a cigarette smoker. That alone connotes low IQ to me.

Not understanding the difference between "safe" and "safer" says worse things about your IQ.

I smoked part of a cigar once at 19, and haven't touched one since. The was safer than smoking a pack a day for forty years. Somewhere between those two extremes the risks are the same. What people are discussing is where that point is most likely to lie.

Way to miss the ENTIRE point. But sure, call me dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I smoke cigars, but I do not inhale the smoke into my lungs.

Ok Bill Clinton

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

Wasn't me. But you just want to argue that any and all smoking is bad no matter the frequency. Yet nothing you have posted says what you think it says.

The title is litteraly "No Safe Level of Smoking: Even low-intensity smokers are at increased risk of earlier death"

But sure, continue to fool yourself that there are no health outcomes for your cigar habit. I actually don't care. I just hate when morons dig in their heels.

I would never be around a cigar or a cigarette smoker. That alone connotes low IQ to me.

Not understanding the difference between "safe" and "safer" says worse things about your IQ.

I smoked part of a cigar once at 19, and haven't touched one since. The was safer than smoking a pack a day for forty years. Somewhere between those two extremes the risks are the same. What people are discussing is where that point is most likely to lie.

Way to miss the ENTIRE point. But sure, call me dumb.

What do you believe the entire point is?