Surprised by the India education-to-job pipeline in my applicant pool

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It takes a village. A few come, tell their village. Oracle is notorious for their closely affiliated H1B engineers.

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Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?

This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.

Willing to get completely taken advantage of.
Americans competing with people who have no personal standards or bigger life perspective. Sorry that’s what it is. It’s too sad because I wish for more pleasant evenings, family time, health for my immigrating Indian coworkers.

Actually MAGA is not competing. They are not going into STEM fields or getting into higher education. They are not well prepared in K-12 to get into college on their academic achievements. Their parents are not paying for their college. They are graduating with large student debts. Most MAGA don't go to college. Most MAGA don't travel. For the richest country in the world, they have poor standard of living. So the MAGA no longer have personal standards or bigger life perspective that the world admires.

Since most immigrating Indians will have continue to have an intact family for the entirety of their life, they will earn economic security, they will build their social network, their kids will excel in school, college, job and do very well, AND they will have home cooked meals in the evening...they are doing alright. Also, health is indeed something they are paying attention to. Most will get health services, reproductive health care, pharma and vaccines in India, even if USA dismantles its own healthcare. You see, at heart, India just has universal middle class values that are good for Humanity.

DP. Then why do they have to immigrate at all? Shouldn’t life be grand back in India?

Why should USA be for the White MAGA who are unworthy? There is enough land and resources for any group of humans to take it over. Does USA not go to other countries for resources? Eyeing Greenland? Buying Balochistan? Prostituting Pakistan? Bumfuxing Saudi Arabia? Coveting Canada? Getting slave labor from Africa?

This country belongs to native Americans (AKA red Indians). We are immigrating because MAGA is stupid and uneducated and does not deserve this land. Our unintended ally Trump will destroy this country and then it is up for grabs. Not one bit of farmland in MD is left for the poors. Every bit of land is being bought by Billionaires, Saudis and Chinese. We also want our part of the pie. We already have Muslim extremists and MS13 here. So, why not us, the good guys who pay taxes?

Only when the sheep is slaughtered can the meat be divided. The sheep is being slaughtered. Thank you Trump.

(PS - situation is so dire in the way US is self-destructing that even muslim extremists don't bother with USA anymore)

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Anonymous wrote:It takes a village. A few come, tell their village. Oracle is notorious for their closely affiliated H1B engineers.

How wonderful this country India is, that their villagers can get jobs in Oracle as engineers. My goodness! This third world country never ceases to amaze me. And so all the MAGA are shitting in their pants like Diaper Don the stinker?

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OP… you should partner up with US college job placement offices of tech programs that well prepare their grads to work in the industry and hire recent grads and alumni with degrees from those legit colleges. Vet the programs with internships and try to avoid large diploma mill universities where it is easy for students to cheat to eke out a tech degree. If you work with the placement counselors, they may often prescreen applicants for you.

Private colleges in tech corridors like Massachusetts and California distinguish themselves (to justify high tuition) with job placement assistance for highly qualified grads.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a search for the DCUM posts on the H1B program. Also - on the OPT program which is the graduate school to job program.

Many American techies would love to get hired. Oracle just canned a lot of people, as have other high tech corporations. Perhaps your HR department is funneling only the H1B/OPT resumes while holding back resumes from American applicants?

Or maybe there aren't American applicants. Find me a 22 year old that wants to provide tech support for a living.

I know an American born, recent college graduate who would be happy to start in tech support.

Great, tell him to apply for jobs.

This is the first step. Get up in the morning. Apply for jobs.

Second step: receive rejection email or never hear back. Repeat over and over and over until you start to feel insane for even trying. There are so many applicants applying for every single open position.

So what? You will be dead if you stop trying.

My kid (American born citizen doing STEM) got internships every single year of college because he applies to no less than 150+ places. He hears back from only 1 or 2. Excellent stats and experience. Continues to work on other sources of revenue on his spare time.

There are still many jobs, there are many platforms, there are many business opportunities, there are new markets, there are good fits, there are good employers. But, they also want flexibility, competence and hard work from their employees.

This is a Capitalist Economy. You want Socialism - go to another country.

Also, your loser mentality will make ChatGPT suggest suicide to you even before AI eats up your job. As it is, most of MAGA are stupid enough to have voted against their self-interest and lack basic understanding of the world.

This is simply not true right now. Congrats to your kid, that’s fantastic. But as the opportunities for everyone continue to dry up as they have for the past few months, no one will be able to escape the ripple effect eventually. You need paying customers in a Capitalist economy.

Yes, first get rid of the dead weight - which Trump is doing, correct? The new, healthy, educated, talented pool of immigrants from around the world will be the next paying customer and tax base.

If you want Socialism - either vote differently at every level or go to another country.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a hiring manager at a large tech company. For two recent software engineering roles, we received over 500 applications in a few week period. What stood out to me was how most of the candidates followed almost the exact same trajectory: undergraduate degree in India, followed by a graduate degree in the U.S. (often at a less selective or lesser-known institution), and then directly into the U.S. job market.

In contrast, only a small fraction of applicants came straight from a U.S. undergraduate program into industry. That imbalance made me pause — are domestic graduates simply not applying, or are they being outnumbered in a way that affects their chances? Is this effectively a backdoor to immigration and a way of pooling cheaper labor? It feels completely unfair and overwhelming, and I can’t believe we’ve ended up in this situation.

I’d be interested to hear if others in recruiting or hiring are seeing the same trend. Is this just the new reality of how the global talent pipeline works, or does it point to a deeper challenge for U.S.-trained undergrads entering tech?

Who is it unfair towards? If the U.S.-born applicants don't exist, they don't exist.

They exist.

They just have to be paid a living wage.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a search for the DCUM posts on the H1B program. Also - on the OPT program which is the graduate school to job program.

Many American techies would love to get hired. Oracle just canned a lot of people, as have other high tech corporations. Perhaps your HR department is funneling only the H1B/OPT resumes while holding back resumes from American applicants?

Or maybe there aren't American applicants. Find me a 22 year old that wants to provide tech support for a living.

My kid has 4 talented American citizen friends with computer science degrees who graduated in 2024/25 from reputable programs who would love the opportunity to take a job like that, but they are being passed over.

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Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?

This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.

Willing to get completely taken advantage of.
Americans competing with people who have no personal standards or bigger life perspective. Sorry that’s what it is. It’s too sad because I wish for more pleasant evenings, family time, health for my immigrating Indian coworkers.

Actually MAGA is not competing. They are not going into STEM fields or getting into higher education. They are not well prepared in K-12 to get into college on their academic achievements. Their parents are not paying for their college. They are graduating with large student debts. Most MAGA don't go to college. Most MAGA don't travel. For the richest country in the world, they have poor standard of living. So the MAGA no longer have personal standards or bigger life perspective that the world admires.

Since most immigrating Indians will have continue to have an intact family for the entirety of their life, they will earn economic security, they will build their social network, their kids will excel in school, college, job and do very well, AND they will have home cooked meals in the evening...they are doing alright. Also, health is indeed something they are paying attention to. Most will get health services, reproductive health care, pharma and vaccines in India, even if USA dismantles its own healthcare. You see, at heart, India just has universal middle class values that are good for Humanity.

DP. Then why do they have to immigrate at all? Shouldn’t life be grand back in India?

Why should USA be for the White MAGA who are unworthy? There is enough land and resources for any group of humans to take it over. Does USA not go to other countries for resources? Eyeing Greenland? Buying Balochistan? Prostituting Pakistan? Bumfuxing Saudi Arabia? Coveting Canada? Getting slave labor from Africa?

This country belongs to native Americans (AKA red Indians). We are immigrating because MAGA is stupid and uneducated and does not deserve this land. Our unintended ally Trump will destroy this country and then it is up for grabs. Not one bit of farmland in MD is left for the poors. Every bit of land is being bought by Billionaires, Saudis and Chinese. We also want our part of the pie. We already have Muslim extremists and MS13 here. So, why not us, the good guys who pay taxes?

Only when the sheep is slaughtered can the meat be divided. The sheep is being slaughtered. Thank you Trump.

(PS - situation is so dire in the way US is self-destructing that even muslim extremists don't bother with USA anymore)

This is why immigrants from the 3nd and 3rd world voted for Trump by the way, particularly pro Palestine immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in tech with many Indians, and most are likely H1b status. We have to work many long hours on salary pay. The line of work can be stressful. Recent college grads may find it very difficult to handle the stress, the long hours and long weekend maintenance windows, etc. The Indians I work with never complain and are very dedicated to their work.

Give the American kids a chance.

They are much better employees and much more skilled than you want to tell yourself to excuse passing over them for cheaper options.

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Anonymous wrote:OP… you should partner up with US college job placement offices of tech programs that well prepare their grads to work in the industry and hire recent grads and alumni with degrees from those legit colleges. Vet the programs with internships and try to avoid large diploma mill universities where it is easy for students to cheat to eke out a tech degree. If you work with the placement counselors, they may often prescreen applicants for you.

Private colleges in tech corridors like Massachusetts and California distinguish themselves (to justify high tuition) with job placement assistance for highly qualified grads.

Yes, and then you can give various coding and personality tests to these graduates to make sure that they actually know their stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in tech with many Indians, and most are likely H1b status. We have to work many long hours on salary pay. The line of work can be stressful. Recent college grads may find it very difficult to handle the stress, the long hours and long weekend maintenance windows, etc. The Indians I work with never complain and are very dedicated to their work.

Give the American kids a chance.

They are much better employees and much more skilled than you want to tell yourself to excuse passing over them for cheaper options.

Yes, yes. The American kids are of course being given a chance and they are accepting lower salaries too. Just not the incompetent MAGA kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in tech with many Indians, and most are likely H1b status. We have to work many long hours on salary pay. The line of work can be stressful. Recent college grads may find it very difficult to handle the stress, the long hours and long weekend maintenance windows, etc. The Indians I work with never complain and are very dedicated to their work.

Give the American kids a chance.

They are much better employees and much more skilled than you want to tell yourself to excuse passing over them for cheaper options.

Not true. Most are flunking out of the coding and algorithm exams. They just do not know their stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? This seems like a sh!tpost, because the questions have obvious answers and it's been happening for two decades.

Yes, the H-1B program dramatically depressed tech salaries and has been a cheap labor program for the tech companies for 20 years.

This is "dog bites man" stuff. Not news.

why is no one talking about it, its really annoying i have to weed through all these people

Just disregard anyone who has an undergrad from India. Idk why people even bother. They’ll encounter very distinct and specific work culture which is well known by now. If you don’t want it, just move on to other candidates, preferably homegrown.

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I blame the over dependence on IEPs.

The MAGA kids are not used to competing IRL because they all got IEPs in school, TO for college admissions...and just easy As.

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Anonymous wrote:At one company I consult with (American, very large health insurance third-party administrator you’ve heard of) I’d estimate 50% of their IT staff is Indian. Of those, 10% followed your trajectory and the rest are offshored.

This is everywhere: consulting, banking, even certain government entities.
Haven’t you noticed all the glitchy websites