Surprised by the India education-to-job pipeline in my applicant pool

Anonymous
Project 2025 start reading it.

H1B's are going to take all tech jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:NP- how on earth did this become MAGA vs Immigrants?

The H1B program should be seriously revamped because US graduates can't find tech work at all and they should get first priority (no matter how they vote)


They'll get first priority when they have the right skills and work ethic. The last straight out of college grad I had did not even know how to use Microsoft Office! He couldn't write a standard SOP for a simple task, even though I gave him plenty of examples, a straightforward work plan, and set up twice a week check ins to guide him through it. TWICE!! By the second time, I would have expected to see a little more initiative, but I had to work with just as closely on the second and third ones as I did the first one. The foreign-born grads get it right away.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP- how on earth did this become MAGA vs Immigrants?

The H1B program should be seriously revamped because US graduates can't find tech work at all and they should get first priority (no matter how they vote)

Agree, US graduates should get first priority. We need to stop the India education-to-US job pipeline, aka gravy train.

Why should we look favorably at India who ignores Western sanctions and continues to buy Russian oil. Recently, Modi the rat, was pictured holding hands with Xi and Putin. Modi getting cozy with the despots all the while the western countries allow easier immigration pathways for Indians.



Oh please do you know WHY Modi is getting cozy with the Russians and Chinese? Because of YOUR racist president's actions.
Anonymous
It's cheaper skilled labor. The problem isn't the applicants. The problem is companies exploiting cheaper foreign labor, rather than offering fair salaries to appeal to Americans.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? This seems like a sh!tpost, because the questions have obvious answers and it's been happening for two decades.

Yes, the H-1B program dramatically depressed tech salaries and has been a cheap labor program for the tech companies for 20 years.

This is "dog bites man" stuff. Not news.


It's frustrating though because if you try to talk about it, you get accused by the right of being anti-industrt/free market, and in the left as being racist/anti-immigtant.

Meanwhile Trump is deporting tons of immigrants whose work is essential to entire industries in the US and will have a serious economic impact, and doing it for purely racist reasons, but because those immigrants are exploiting an H1B loophole that benefits the tech it banking industries, no one cares.

If I were a Dem running for president in 2028, this is something I'd start talking about, as there are many college educated Americans struggling to find work or dealing with depressed pay despite high inflation, because entire industries are using H1B visas differently than they were intended in order to access cheaper immigrants labor.

There is also an entire industry dedicated to helping companies navigate the letter if H1B laws while violating the spirit, basically visa farms who knows how to check off the H1B requirements in the mist dishonest way possible.

H1B visas are meant to be rare and temporary solutions to help companies fill roles that require high levels of education in areas the US fails to turn out enough graduates in. It's for hiring specialized surgeons, finance quants, etc. But it's being used to hire cheap computer programmers and economists, areas of expertise that the US has plenty of homegrown graduates in.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? This seems like a sh!tpost, because the questions have obvious answers and it's been happening for two decades.

Yes, the H-1B program dramatically depressed tech salaries and has been a cheap labor program for the tech companies for 20 years.

This is "dog bites man" stuff. Not news.

why is no one talking about it, its really annoying i have to weed through all these people


Are they not qualified to do the jobs, or are you racist and classist?


H1B visas are supposed to be for roles where it's not possible to find qualified American applicants. So it's not a question if whether the foreign applicant is qualified or not. There are tons of American job seekers who are qualified for these roles, but H1B farms manipulate the job market and lie on the company's visa applications to claim the have to hire foreign labor, in order to avoid paying higher salaries to American grads.
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Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?


This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.


Willing to get completely taken advantage of.
Americans competing with people who have no personal standards or bigger life perspective. Sorry that’s what it is. It’s too sad because I wish for more pleasant evenings, family time, health for my immigrating Indian coworkers.


This! Because of their visa status they are more willing to be exploited by these employers! It’s shameful on the part of the employer.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a search for the DCUM posts on the H1B program. Also - on the OPT program which is the graduate school to job program.

Many American techies would love to get hired. Oracle just canned a lot of people, as have other high tech corporations. Perhaps your HR department is funneling only the H1B/OPT resumes while holding back resumes from American applicants?



Or maybe there aren't American applicants. Find me a 22 year old that wants to provide tech support for a living.


I could find you THOUSANDS of 22 year old Americans who want that job and have the degree necessary for it. Employers want to hire the Indian applicants for financial reasons (they are cheaper) and legal reasons (immigrant labor is less likely to unionize, ask for be edits, or expect career progression, and because the company holds their visa, are a much more exploitable labor force than American workers who can more easily transfer jobs).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?


This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.


(1) That's racial profiling

(2) So you want a cheap, compliant labor force that is beholden to you for their visa status, as opposed to a citizen who expects to be treated like a human being, get paid a living wage, and have some leisure time? Go invent a robot to do the job then, human workers should be treated humanely.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do a search for the DCUM posts on the H1B program. Also - on the OPT program which is the graduate school to job program.

Many American techies would love to get hired. Oracle just canned a lot of people, as have other high tech corporations. Perhaps your HR department is funneling only the H1B/OPT resumes while holding back resumes from American applicants?



Or maybe there aren't American applicants. Find me a 22 year old that wants to provide tech support for a living.


I could find you THOUSANDS of 22 year old Americans who want that job and have the degree necessary for it. Employers want to hire the Indian applicants for financial reasons (they are cheaper) and legal reasons (immigrant labor is less likely to unionize, ask for be edits, or expect career progression, and because the company holds their visa, are a much more exploitable labor force than American workers who can more easily transfer jobs).


No, no. MAGA candidates are degenerate, stupid, lazy and ill-educated. Maybe because of generations of inbreeding? They cannot fill these roles.

American companies that are led by rich Republican White CEOs are smart enough to get the best candidates for the cheapest price that they can. Also, they have to look after the interests of the shareholders not labor.

Stop your whining. This is not a socialist country. Workers are not important, shareholders are.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do a search for the DCUM posts on the H1B program. Also - on the OPT program which is the graduate school to job program.

Many American techies would love to get hired. Oracle just canned a lot of people, as have other high tech corporations. Perhaps your HR department is funneling only the H1B/OPT resumes while holding back resumes from American applicants?



Or maybe there aren't American applicants. Find me a 22 year old that wants to provide tech support for a living.


I could find you THOUSANDS of 22 year old Americans who want that job and have the degree necessary for it. Employers want to hire the Indian applicants for financial reasons (they are cheaper) and legal reasons (immigrant labor is less likely to unionize, ask for be edits, or expect career progression, and because the company holds their visa, are a much more exploitable labor force than American workers who can more easily transfer jobs).


WRONG. CEOs are being paid megabucks to look after the needs of the shareholders. Labor does not matter and should never matter. It is dispensable in the case of globalization. In any case, USA should be for the rich and educated. There is zero reason to cater to poor people. Glad that Trump is cutting down medicare, social security etc. These poors and uneducated are dead weight on the economy. Tariffs, cutting federal social security net, AI and no vaccinations - Trump is great!!!

How come these exploited Indian applicants come to US, work for peanuts, go to no-name US universities, pay exorbitant fees for their advanced degrees, pay taxes and into social security AND still whup the asses of MAGA underperformer losers and take over tech jobs. Boo Hoo!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?


This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.


(1) That's racial profiling

(2) So you want a cheap, compliant labor force that is beholden to you for their visa status, as opposed to a citizen who expects to be treated like a human being, get paid a living wage, and have some leisure time? Go invent a robot to do the job then, human workers should be treated humanely.


The human workers are not complaining. You are. These workers are compliant, hard working, not slapping their monkey during work, technically superior, super efficient and able to save and invest their money.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? This seems like a sh!tpost, because the questions have obvious answers and it's been happening for two decades.

Yes, the H-1B program dramatically depressed tech salaries and has been a cheap labor program for the tech companies for 20 years.

This is "dog bites man" stuff. Not news.

why is no one talking about it, its really annoying i have to weed through all these people


Are they not qualified to do the jobs, or are you racist and classist?


H1B visas are supposed to be for roles where it's not possible to find qualified American applicants. So it's not a question if whether the foreign applicant is qualified or not. There are tons of American job seekers who are qualified for these roles, but H1B farms manipulate the job market and lie on the company's visa applications to claim the have to hire foreign labor, in order to avoid paying higher salaries to American grads.


Stupid MAGA, no company hires for tech jobs without multiple rounds and tests for technical competency. Most Americans fail the coding and logic tests and are out of the interview process. Sorry, but American grads (especially those who are scraping by) are the worst prepared.

College is not for everyone. Americans should concentrate on saving their farms and not letting Wall Street LLCs buy them up for cheap now that no one is buying American corn and soyabeans.

Anonymous
From working with a large group of Indians at Freddie Mac in IT. They cover for each other at work and even husbands and wife’s and cousins will jump in to guide their stupid questions and they outsource their own work.

The big white boss sees none of this. So any the white kid hired he thinks he should ask vis boss for help and he looks foolish and dumb.

I actually at one point went Indian. I had to write macros and SQL queries and develop data bases. I went on line and got a PhD in Pakistani to do it for $10 bucks and hour. Then I goof off a month, paid him $250 bucks as only took him 25 hours.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? This seems like a sh!tpost, because the questions have obvious answers and it's been happening for two decades.

Yes, the H-1B program dramatically depressed tech salaries and has been a cheap labor program for the tech companies for 20 years.

This is "dog bites man" stuff. Not news.

why is no one talking about it, its really annoying i have to weed through all these people


Are they not qualified to do the jobs, or are you racist and classist?


H1B visas are supposed to be for roles where it's not possible to find qualified American applicants. So it's not a question if whether the foreign applicant is qualified or not. There are tons of American job seekers who are qualified for these roles, but H1B farms manipulate the job market and lie on the company's visa applications to claim the have to hire foreign labor, in order to avoid paying higher salaries to American grads.


Stupid MAGA, no company hires for tech jobs without multiple rounds and tests for technical competency. Most Americans fail the coding and logic tests and are out of the interview process. Sorry, but American grads (especially those who are scraping by) are the worst prepared.

College is not for everyone. Americans should concentrate on saving their farms and not letting Wall Street LLCs buy them up for cheap now that no one is buying American corn and soyabeans.




You do know they fake that. I hired one and we screen shot interview and it was not same guy who showed up. Looked close but not
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