Surprised by the India education-to-job pipeline in my applicant pool

[Anonymous]

I work in dod tech. We pay undergrads 85-90k to start. Plenty of US born applicants. Not all can cut it though when we give them some actual coding tests.

[Anonymous]

Its pay, location, or other factors. In India, its much easier and cheaper to get an education there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in dod tech. We pay undergrads 85-90k to start. Plenty of US born applicants. Not all can cut it though when we give them some actual coding tests.

This has been my experience working in the industry. It is truly sink or swim and most people sink. You do actually have to be a smart nerd to work in this field. I worked for one company that had no problem getting rid of people who couldn't do the work. There was no room in the budget to keep around dead weight.

[Anonymous]

NP- how on earth did this become MAGA vs Immigrants?

The H1B program should be seriously revamped because US graduates can't find tech work at all and they should get first priority (no matter how they vote)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP- how on earth did this become MAGA vs Immigrants?

The H1B program should be seriously revamped because US graduates can't find tech work at all and they should get first priority (no matter how they vote)

Agree, US graduates should get first priority. We need to stop the India education-to-US job pipeline, aka gravy train.

Why should we look favorably at India who ignores Western sanctions and continues to buy Russian oil. Recently, Modi the rat, was pictured holding hands with Xi and Putin. Modi getting cozy with the despots all the while the western countries allow easier immigration pathways for Indians.

[Anonymous]

I work in tech with many Indians, and most are likely H1b status. We have to work many long hours on salary pay. The line of work can be stressful. Recent college grads may find it very difficult to handle the stress, the long hours and long weekend maintenance windows, etc. The Indians I work with never complain and are very dedicated to their work.

[Anonymous]

Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?

This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.

[Anonymous]

Domestic grads are not applying. Is your salary range really low?
Domestic students can party for 4 years in a business school and land 90k jobs as BA/accountant/operations.
CS grad needs to take system design, math or physics and the salary doesn’t justify such.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a hiring manager at a large tech company. For two recent software engineering roles, we received over 500 applications in a few week period. What stood out to me was how most of the candidates followed almost the exact same trajectory: undergraduate degree in India, followed by a graduate degree in the U.S. (often at a less selective or lesser-known institution), and then directly into the U.S. job market.

In contrast, only a small fraction of applicants came straight from a U.S. undergraduate program into industry. That imbalance made me pause — are domestic graduates simply not applying, or are they being outnumbered in a way that affects their chances? Is this effectively a backdoor to immigration and a way of pooling cheaper labor? It feels completely unfair and overwhelming, and I can’t believe we’ve ended up in this situation.

I’d be interested to hear if others in recruiting or hiring are seeing the same trend. Is this just the new reality of how the global talent pipeline works, or does it point to a deeper challenge for U.S.-trained undergrads entering tech?

Who is it unfair towards? If the U.S.-born applicants don't exist, they don't exist.

Oh I read an article about this. I’ll see if I can find it before I go describing it.

It has to do with publishing the job listing / rules about where it is posted / getting around rules.
-NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?

This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.

Willing to get completely taken advantage of.
Americans competing with people who have no personal standards or bigger life perspective. Sorry that’s what it is. It’s too sad because I wish for more pleasant evenings, family time, health for my immigrating Indian coworkers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, been happening for years. DoD contracting less so because of the requirements associated with clearances and being a US citizen. One RFP for a different agency had a requirement for education and degree being from US institutions.

Also have seen where someone else interviews for a position and a different person shows up on day 1 for the job. We now require the candidate to show identification during the interviews (even zoom) to validate identity.

Unreal. That’s some bold shiit right there. What happened to the applicant? Was he onboarded or shown the exit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indian parents are quite serious about education. Kids are encouraged to complete Bachelors at the very least. In a 1.5 billion population, it means a lot of graduates! It is an extremely competitive job market especially for tech/engineers in India. In order to stand out, people then opt for Masters degrees. Since Masters programs are better in the US compared to India, people choose to study in the US. Job applications here are then obviously more from Indians. Population of US is 300 million and population of India is 1.5 billion. The magnitude is right there.

I am from tech and we receive resumes from Indians and Americans both but I'd say a lot more from Indians. Our interviewing process is extensive and elaborate and it depends on who makes it through based on qualifications and experience. We have a pretty good diversity. Let me also tell you that just because you see resumes of Indians pouring in doesn't mean they all get recruited.

OP, are you new into recruiting?

This poster again. Having worked in the tech industry for a long time, I have seen that Indians are more patient, diligent, tenacious and resilient. More than smartness, those factors are more contributing. American engineers are quite smart and nerdy as only those take up engineering who truly have the aptitude. But they are more about choosing work-life balance, pursuing hobbies, not working late nights or weekends. Employers want those who can slog and deliver results and I have always seen Indians having an edge on that front.

Lots of Americans put in crazy hours for engineering. But they're doing it to build their own organizations or on work they find personally interesting. But killing yourself for some mid-level tech job where you're earning money for someone else is a raw deal unless it's also earning you being in the country.

[Anonymous]

Ask HR to show you the whole pool. They might be holding some applicants back. Also, check AI algorithm to see how it is set up. There are so many shady things going around, hr incompetence included

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do a search for the DCUM posts on the H1B program. Also - on the OPT program which is the graduate school to job program.

Many American techies would love to get hired. Oracle just canned a lot of people, as have other high tech corporations. Perhaps your HR department is funneling only the H1B/OPT resumes while holding back resumes from American applicants?

Or maybe there aren't American applicants. Find me a 22 year old that wants to provide tech support for a living.

I know an American born, recent college graduate who would be happy to start in tech support.

Great, tell him to apply for jobs.