Can parents sue to move unruly child to alternative school?

[Anonymous]

The pro strat is to call the troubled kid's parent and explain to them how they can get private placement paid for by the school district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public school is open to the public. If you aren’t happy, you have the right to make another choice.

Why should I change? He's the one that sucks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My wife works at a title 1 school.

There are multiple kids that beat up on, and destroy classrooms. It is DIFFICULT to get them removed from the school. Obviously they’re not getting the help or medication they need, but the school can only do so much.

When kids throw destructive tantrums, the whole class is evacuated. The parents are then called(they must help clean up) and the child is sent home for the day.

This is absolutely insane. Sounds like a nightmare. Children are traumatized witnessing this kind of violence. This is the kind of thing that commonly causes all kinds of symptoms in children, including sudden bed wetting issues or inability to learn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

Mental health issues are disabilities. They may need different interventions than cognitive or physical disabilities. But they are disabilities nonetheless.

Schools are not equipped to treat mental health illnesses, any more than they can put your child’s fractured tibia into a cast.

Parent must come to retrieve their child to get the appropriate diagnosis and medical treatment. Teachers can not do this for you.

This. 1,0000%

It is incredibly hard to get a child an IEP if the parents are refusing services. I have seen this happen and it's heartbreaking for everyone involved except the parents who are deeply in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP but same boat. It's not fair when the parents of the terrible and dangerous child have all the power, threaten to sue, whatever. The rest of the parent and affected, threatened teachers should be able to assemble and fight back.

Unfortunately it's hard to get any information because of all the protections on these little (degenerate) miners.

Before anyone goes off on me, this kid assaulted a teacher.

Doesn't matter. You are still an uneducated simpleton with a black heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pro strat is to call the troubled kid's parent and explain to them how they can get private placement paid for by the school district.

That is something that rarely happens and takes years to get in place. It isn’t going to help this problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

Mental health issues are disabilities. They may need different interventions than cognitive or physical disabilities. But they are disabilities nonetheless.

School teachers are not medical professionals. They can’t legally medically treat violent children who require medical attention for their mental health problems.

Schools are required to educate all kids, even those with mental health problems.

But here’s the problem as I can see it. There are kids who need mental health services. To get them there needs to be providers, programs and vacant slots/beds/appointments. And then you have to pay for it.

People are scrambling to find resources for their kids. But there aren’t programs. And there aren’t beds. And there aren’t therapists and psychiatrists who don’t have waiting lists. And while they are waiting, parents are required to send their kids to school - which are not equipped to handle the violent incidents.

Also, for some perspective on cost, I have excellent insurance and in one four month period my out of pocket costs were $50k after exhausting every single resource.

I guess my point is that this is really a problem that goes beyond the walls of the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

Mental health issues are disabilities. They may need different interventions than cognitive or physical disabilities. But they are disabilities nonetheless.

School teachers are not medical professionals. They can’t legally medically treat violent children who require medical attention for their mental health problems.

Schools are required to educate all kids, even those with mental health problems.

But here’s the problem as I can see it. There are kids who need mental health services. To get them there needs to be providers, programs and vacant slots/beds/appointments. And then you have to pay for it.

People are scrambling to find resources for their kids. But there aren’t programs. And there aren’t beds. And there aren’t therapists and psychiatrists who don’t have waiting lists. And while they are waiting, parents are required to send their kids to school - which are not equipped to handle the violent incidents.

Also, for some perspective on cost, I have excellent insurance and in one four month period my out of pocket costs were $50k after exhausting every single resource.

I guess my point is that this is really a problem that goes beyond the walls of the schools.

Thank you for sharing your experience. Over just four months, $50k out of pocket is certainly astronomical.

About how old was your child at the time? What were the diagnosis? What treatments finally worked? Which professionals (psychiatrist, psychologist, etc) provide the best advice?

Public schools are indeed responsible to educate children. However, when a child’s health, PHYSICAL or MENTAL, prevents safe school attendance, the child deserves virtual instruction from home. Parents are NEVER required to send an ill child to school.

If parents can’t afford effective medical care, social services must be accessed.

[Anonymous]

I now understand that the Department of Education wants to turn our public schools into medical facilities.

This is utterly unattainable. Sick children require medical attention. Psychiatrists aren’t going to hang out their shingle next to the principal’s office, any more than a pharmacist will.

Sick children can have virtual instruction from home. As soon as children are well enough to safely learn at school, they should come back to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

MCPS is an educational organization. It is not a medical organization that can treat children for medical problems, physical or mental.

When your child breaks a leg, you take them to a doctor.

When your child has a mental illness, repeatedly assaulting others, you take them to a doctor.

It’s that simple. If parents grossly neglect their basic parenting responsibilities, the legal system gets involved, and finds alternative care for your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can change schools. People do so for smaller reasons. You're really going to sue? Hire a lawyer and go to court? Come on.

Mentally ill violent kids need medical care, not the change of school for the victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP but same boat. It's not fair when the parents of the terrible and dangerous child have all the power, threaten to sue, whatever. The rest of the parent and affected, threatened teachers should be able to assemble and fight back.

Unfortunately it's hard to get any information because of all the protections on these little (degenerate) miners.

Before anyone goes off on me, this kid assaulted a teacher.

This is horrifying.

[Anonymous]

You can give the school good reasons not to place your child in the same class with this one ever again, that's it.

[Anonymous]

I think you should sue. Rather than send special needs children into a program or at least bus them into a centralized classroom equipped to deal with the problem, their strategy seems to be spreading the children out versus providing programs. In my opinion, MCPS has failed in their Duty of Care to your child. That can be a criminal, not just administrative offense, if something terrible happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

Mental health issues are disabilities. They may need different interventions than cognitive or physical disabilities. But they are disabilities nonetheless.

School teachers are not medical professionals. They can’t legally medically treat violent children who require medical attention for their mental health problems.

Schools are required to educate all kids, even those with mental health problems.

But here’s the problem as I can see it. There are kids who need mental health services. To get them there needs to be providers, programs and vacant slots/beds/appointments. And then you have to pay for it.

People are scrambling to find resources for their kids. But there aren’t programs. And there aren’t beds. And there aren’t therapists and psychiatrists who don’t have waiting lists. And while they are waiting, parents are required to send their kids to school - which are not equipped to handle the violent incidents.

Also, for some perspective on cost, I have excellent insurance and in one four month period my out of pocket costs were $50k after exhausting every single resource.

I guess my point is that this is really a problem that goes beyond the walls of the schools.

Thank you for sharing your experience. Over just four months, $50k out of pocket is certainly astronomical.

About how old was your child at the time? What were the diagnosis? What treatments finally worked? Which professionals (psychiatrist, psychologist, etc) provide the best advice?

Public schools are indeed responsible to educate children. However, when a child’s health, PHYSICAL or MENTAL, prevents safe school attendance, the child deserves virtual instruction from home. Parents are NEVER required to send an ill child to school.

If parents can’t afford effective medical care, social services must be accessed.

This poster again.

I know you'd love to kick kids with disabilities out of public schools. It is not going to happen. You should be advocating for the resources to provide accommodations to makes public schools safe and effective for all students.