Can parents sue to move unruly child to alternative school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something happened at our elementary school where a kid hurt several children. There ended up being a parent meeting about the situation and the unruly child was moved to a private school placement. It turns out that the child's parents had been trying to get him moved for a long time and MCPS was not cooperative. I think pressure from the other parents made it happen.

Assuming that the violent child transferred to a special needs school, can anyone please shed some light on how they address classroom violence?

They address classroom violence by having a small teacher to student ration and paras to help. Also, there’s an emphasis on avoiding triggers. Teachers also try to intervene before the violence happens—for example if they see the child becoming agitated they might offer the kid a sensory corner to calm down or otherwise provide a break.

These interventions aren’t possible in mainstream schools with one teacher for 25 students.

This is MENTAL ILLNESS “support”
— NOT EDUCATION —

These violent kids are learning nothing.
Why not just be honest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:S/o- for those who experienced this in their children’s classrooms, what’s the best way to support the child and also protect your own child from harm?

Central office cares only about the aggressors, never about the innocent victims in the classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something happened at our elementary school where a kid hurt several children. There ended up being a parent meeting about the situation and the unruly child was moved to a private school placement. It turns out that the child's parents had been trying to get him moved for a long time and MCPS was not cooperative. I think pressure from the other parents made it happen.

Assuming that the violent child transferred to a special needs school, can anyone please shed some light on how they address classroom violence?

They address classroom violence by having a small teacher to student ration and paras to help. Also, there’s an emphasis on avoiding triggers. Teachers also try to intervene before the violence happens—for example if they see the child becoming agitated they might offer the kid a sensory corner to calm down or otherwise provide a break.

These interventions aren’t possible in mainstream schools with one teacher for 25 students.

This is MENTAL ILLNESS “support”
— NOT EDUCATION —

These violent kids are learning nothing.
Why not just be honest?

I normally wouldn’t engage someone who is so ignorant. But because I think some people are generally wanting to understand, I want to assure you that there absolutely is learning taking place and many kids are finally able to achieve academically.

And for those that aren’t successful, they will be moved. Just because a kid gets accepted into an alternative program doesn’t mean the program has to keep the kid. If it’s not an environment where the kid will be successful, the school will open the slot to a different child and a new placement will be found (hopefully) that better meets the other child’s needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something happened at our elementary school where a kid hurt several children. There ended up being a parent meeting about the situation and the unruly child was moved to a private school placement. It turns out that the child's parents had been trying to get him moved for a long time and MCPS was not cooperative. I think pressure from the other parents made it happen.

Assuming that the violent child transferred to a special needs school, can anyone please shed some light on how they address classroom violence?

They address classroom violence by having a small teacher to student ration and paras to help. Also, there’s an emphasis on avoiding triggers. Teachers also try to intervene before the violence happens—for example if they see the child becoming agitated they might offer the kid a sensory corner to calm down or otherwise provide a break.

These interventions aren’t possible in mainstream schools with one teacher for 25 students.

This is MENTAL ILLNESS “support”
— NOT EDUCATION —

These violent kids are learning nothing.
Why not just be honest?

I normally wouldn’t engage someone who is so ignorant. But because I think some people are generally wanting to understand, I want to assure you that there absolutely is learning taking place and many kids are finally able to achieve academically.

And for those that aren’t successful, they will be moved. Just because a kid gets accepted into an alternative program doesn’t mean the program has to keep the kid. If it’s not an environment where the kid will be successful, the school will open the slot to a different child and a new placement will be found (hopefully) that better meets the other child’s needs.

1. Where are the stats showing what percentage of violent special ed kids eventually stop their classroom violence?

2. Where do the “unsuccessful” go?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah my daughter had juvenile harassment charges against a boy in her school and the only thing they offer up is they can’t be the same class or MY child can put in for a COSA they would immediately accept.

So no, unruly kids, bullies, and even those with charges have more rights than the victims.

This is a travesty and a perversion of the law. No other country in the world has to fear school sanctioned classroom violence by deranged kids.

Indeed it is. The only thing that will change it though is if people start taking this insane practice to court and we get new legal rulings issued.

Courts aren't the issue. It's very hard for families to prevail against schools in court.

As discussed earlier, the issue is money. It is far cheaper for schools to keep kids in general education settings without support than it is to move them into a specialized program or pay for a paraeducator.

Liar. It costs nothing to send a sick child home. Violent, mental illness is a sickness. Sick children can not be kept at school. They need medical attention.

Kids aren't sent home from school to get medical attention. They're sent home when they're thought to be contagious. You're not going to send home a kid with epilepsy or cystic fibrosis until they're dead or "cured". (Though, maybe you'd want to, since they're going to be among the students most expensive to accommodate).

There are clear legal protections in place to prevent schools from refusing to serve students with challenging medical impairments or physic, mental, or developmental disabilities. The unfortunatel reality is there are others in the world like you who would willfully ignore the needs of those students if it meant saving a little money on their taxes or sheltering their kids from the sad realities of lives of less fortunate individuals.

MCPS is refusing kids. There are lots of kid with challenges who were in the MVA and they shut it down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something happened at our elementary school where a kid hurt several children. There ended up being a parent meeting about the situation and the unruly child was moved to a private school placement. It turns out that the child's parents had been trying to get him moved for a long time and MCPS was not cooperative. I think pressure from the other parents made it happen.

Assuming that the violent child transferred to a special needs school, can anyone please shed some light on how they address classroom violence?

They address classroom violence by having a small teacher to student ration and paras to help. Also, there’s an emphasis on avoiding triggers. Teachers also try to intervene before the violence happens—for example if they see the child becoming agitated they might offer the kid a sensory corner to calm down or otherwise provide a break.

These interventions aren’t possible in mainstream schools with one teacher for 25 students.

This is MENTAL ILLNESS “support”
— NOT EDUCATION —

These violent kids are learning nothing.
Why not just be honest?

I normally wouldn’t engage someone who is so ignorant. But because I think some people are generally wanting to understand, I want to assure you that there absolutely is learning taking place and many kids are finally able to achieve academically.

And for those that aren’t successful, they will be moved. Just because a kid gets accepted into an alternative program doesn’t mean the program has to keep the kid. If it’s not an environment where the kid will be successful, the school will open the slot to a different child and a new placement will be found (hopefully) that better meets the other child’s needs.

1. Where are the stats showing what percentage of violent special ed kids eventually stop their classroom violence?

2. Where do the “unsuccessful” go?

Crickets ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something happened at our elementary school where a kid hurt several children. There ended up being a parent meeting about the situation and the unruly child was moved to a private school placement. It turns out that the child's parents had been trying to get him moved for a long time and MCPS was not cooperative. I think pressure from the other parents made it happen.

Assuming that the violent child transferred to a special needs school, can anyone please shed some light on how they address classroom violence?

They address classroom violence by having a small teacher to student ration and paras to help. Also, there’s an emphasis on avoiding triggers. Teachers also try to intervene before the violence happens—for example if they see the child becoming agitated they might offer the kid a sensory corner to calm down or otherwise provide a break.

These interventions aren’t possible in mainstream schools with one teacher for 25 students.

This is MENTAL ILLNESS “support”
— NOT EDUCATION —

These violent kids are learning nothing.
Why not just be honest?

I normally wouldn’t engage someone who is so ignorant. But because I think some people are generally wanting to understand, I want to assure you that there absolutely is learning taking place and many kids are finally able to achieve academically.

And for those that aren’t successful, they will be moved. Just because a kid gets accepted into an alternative program doesn’t mean the program has to keep the kid. If it’s not an environment where the kid will be successful, the school will open the slot to a different child and a new placement will be found (hopefully) that better meets the other child’s needs.

What is a violent kid learning when his teacher isn’t allowed to let him have any consequences?
He learns is ok to throw a chair at his teacher every time he gets mad at her.
Why are male teachers psychically attacked less often than female teachers?
The kid sees that a male teacher can (and will) defend himself. It seems men are generally less inclined to find excuses for violent behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah my daughter had juvenile harassment charges against a boy in her school and the only thing they offer up is they can’t be the same class or MY child can put in for a COSA they would immediately accept.

So no, unruly kids, bullies, and even those with charges have more rights than the victims.

This is a travesty and a perversion of the law. No other country in the world has to fear school sanctioned classroom violence by deranged kids.

Indeed it is. The only thing that will change it though is if people start taking this insane practice to court and we get new legal rulings issued.

Courts aren't the issue. It's very hard for families to prevail against schools in court.

As discussed earlier, the issue is money. It is far cheaper for schools to keep kids in general education settings without support than it is to move them into a specialized program or pay for a paraeducator.

Liar. It costs nothing to send a sick child home. Violent, mental illness is a sickness. Sick children can not be kept at school. They need medical attention.

Kids aren't sent home from school to get medical attention. They're sent home when they're thought to be contagious. You're not going to send home a kid with epilepsy or cystic fibrosis until they're dead or "cured". (Though, maybe you'd want to, since they're going to be among the students most expensive to accommodate).

There are clear legal protections in place to prevent schools from refusing to serve students with challenging medical impairments or physic, mental, or developmental disabilities. The unfortunatel reality is there are others in the world like you who would willfully ignore the needs of those students if it meant saving a little money on their taxes or sheltering their kids from the sad realities of lives of less fortunate individuals.

MCPS is refusing kids. There are lots of kid with challenges who were in the MVA and they shut it down.

So they got sent to mainstream classrooms?

[Anonymous]

What do you mean MCPS is refusing kids? What kids? What proof of this do you have?