Can parents sue to move unruly child to alternative school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Departament of Education Successes:

1. Protected the worst violence in our public schools, even to the point of near murder of teachers.

2. Enriched teacher unions, but never helped teachers or their students.

For the sake of teachers and students, shut down the Departament of Education.

Oh come on. You have no idea about how the federal Department of Education works, do you? The stuff you're complaining about was not caused by the Department of Education, but it's people like you with uninformed attacks on the Dept of Ed that have led to cuts there that will result in real harms to all of our kids' education. Stop repeating everything you hear, and try actually learning about how something works before you attack it...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Departament of Education Successes:

1. Protected the worst violence in our public schools, even to the point of near murder of teachers.

2. Enriched teacher unions, but never helped teachers or their students.

For the sake of teachers and students, shut down the Departament of Education.

Can you provide an evidence that teachers’ unions have gotten rich due to the federal dept of ed?

You people should be ashamed of what you’ve done. Worst of all is the traumatizing fear so many innocent children suffer just by having to attend these institutions.

Hard working devoted teachers are being driven out of their professions because of the relentless classroom violence you have allowed.

It’s no surprise that American students continue to fall behind the rest of the world. Our tax dollars are being squandered by your union bosses.

Enough is enough.

[Anonymous]

Public school is open to the public. If you aren’t happy, you have the right to make another choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, you cannot sue to remove another student's rights to a free and appropriate education.

You could:
Move your kid.

Reach out to the principal and superintendant about how the child's behavior is impacting your stduent. Don't say "Sally's mom is a crappy parent and won't work with the school and SAlly's a dumb kid who won't shut up." Say "Sally's incessant talking is impacting my child's ability to learn" Make this about your child, not about the other one or their parents.

Without knowing if the parents are working with the school system all you have is speculation. Getting a child privately placed by a school system is incredibly hard and requires a tremendous amoutn of resources and money.

This. OP, move your kid if you can. I would say change districts or change schools within your district but it's like this everywhere. Start looking at private schools. Use the money you would've used on a lawyer and put it toward your own kid's education.

Public schools are going to be majority low income and special education within 10 years because of situations like the OP describes. Mark my words.

It’s been like that where I live for 20 years. The public schools are wonderful for those below-average kids whose parents can’t or won’t provide the extra services. A safety net. However, if you want a gifted or above average education, parents have to look at other options - private, public charters, etc.

[Anonymous]

I wish. We need to bring back alternative schools for this very reason. Some kids do not deserve to be in a classroom with others. I don't care if that is mean and heartless. It's the truth.

It took my DD being diagnosed with PTSD before the county would even move HER to another classroom. Not the disruptive boy, but her.

The boy in question had multiple meltdowns each week that caused the class to evacuate. He sometimes threw objects at the teacher and other students as they were fleeing. He hit and kicked the teacher and his aide on several occasions that DD and other classmates witnessed. His IEP/504 whatever called for him to be allowed to rage-it-out to calm himself. The cute classroom that DD visited before the school year started was quickly dismantled into a drab, empty space with as few loose objects as possible. The teacher removed most posters, removed alternative seating, kept books in rubbermaid totes instead of on the bookshelf, kept all art supplies locked away, etc. It was honestly depressing to see the classroom on back to school night in comparison to the other 4th grade classrooms.

DD became a nervous wreck in school waiting for the next thing to set him off. The Admin's first (and only) step was to move her desk as far away from him as possible and to put him as close to the teacher as possible. She was biting her nails down to bloody stumps and constantly had a stomachache, so we contacted a therapist. She went in for an evaluation and the therapist was floored to hear the incidents DD described. She said it was one of the worst cases she'd heard about. Imagine that, a child psychologist, someone who was trained to do the evals on kids with ADHD and autism, was shocked. She diagnosed DD with PTSD. It still took weeks after that but we were able to get the school to move DD to a new classroom and have it noted in her file that she can never be in a classroom with that kid again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish. We need to bring back alternative schools for this very reason. Some kids do not deserve to be in a classroom with others. I don't care if that is mean and heartless. It's the truth.

It took my DD being diagnosed with PTSD before the county would even move HER to another classroom. Not the disruptive boy, but her.

The boy in question had multiple meltdowns each week that caused the class to evacuate. He sometimes threw objects at the teacher and other students as they were fleeing. He hit and kicked the teacher and his aide on several occasions that DD and other classmates witnessed. His IEP/504 whatever called for him to be allowed to rage-it-out to calm himself. The cute classroom that DD visited before the school year started was quickly dismantled into a drab, empty space with as few loose objects as possible. The teacher removed most posters, removed alternative seating, kept books in rubbermaid totes instead of on the bookshelf, kept all art supplies locked away, etc. It was honestly depressing to see the classroom on back to school night in comparison to the other 4th grade classrooms.

DD became a nervous wreck in school waiting for the next thing to set him off. The Admin's first (and only) step was to move her desk as far away from him as possible and to put him as close to the teacher as possible. She was biting her nails down to bloody stumps and constantly had a stomachache, so we contacted a therapist. She went in for an evaluation and the therapist was floored to hear the incidents DD described. She said it was one of the worst cases she'd heard about. Imagine that, a child psychologist, someone who was trained to do the evals on kids with ADHD and autism, was shocked. She diagnosed DD with PTSD. It still took weeks after that but we were able to get the school to move DD to a new classroom and have it noted in her file that she can never be in a classroom with that kid again.

What was allowed to happen to your daughter breaks my heart. No child should be a victim of assault in her own classroom.
Sick, violent kids need to be removed from classrooms, and get medical treatment. Teachers are not physicians.

[Anonymous]

this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Again, school are not medical facilities where mentally unwell, violent children can receive the medical attention they need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish. We need to bring back alternative schools for this very reason. Some kids do not deserve to be in a classroom with others. I don't care if that is mean and heartless. It's the truth.

It took my DD being diagnosed with PTSD before the county would even move HER to another classroom. Not the disruptive boy, but her.

The boy in question had multiple meltdowns each week that caused the class to evacuate. He sometimes threw objects at the teacher and other students as they were fleeing. He hit and kicked the teacher and his aide on several occasions that DD and other classmates witnessed. His IEP/504 whatever called for him to be allowed to rage-it-out to calm himself. The cute classroom that DD visited before the school year started was quickly dismantled into a drab, empty space with as few loose objects as possible. The teacher removed most posters, removed alternative seating, kept books in rubbermaid totes instead of on the bookshelf, kept all art supplies locked away, etc. It was honestly depressing to see the classroom on back to school night in comparison to the other 4th grade classrooms.

DD became a nervous wreck in school waiting for the next thing to set him off. The Admin's first (and only) step was to move her desk as far away from him as possible and to put him as close to the teacher as possible. She was biting her nails down to bloody stumps and constantly had a stomachache, so we contacted a therapist. She went in for an evaluation and the therapist was floored to hear the incidents DD described. She said it was one of the worst cases she'd heard about. Imagine that, a child psychologist, someone who was trained to do the evals on kids with ADHD and autism, was shocked. She diagnosed DD with PTSD. It still took weeks after that but we were able to get the school to move DD to a new classroom and have it noted in her file that she can never be in a classroom with that kid again.

This is awful. i'm so sorry your DD went through this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

Mental health issues are disabilities. They may need different interventions than cognitive or physical disabilities. But they are disabilities nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

Mental health issues are disabilities. They may need different interventions than cognitive or physical disabilities. But they are disabilities nonetheless.

School teachers are not medical professionals. They can’t legally medically treat violent children who require medical attention for their mental health problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No you can't sue asking to move another parent's child.

Agreed. OP, this is an absolutely ridiculous thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this isn't a parenting problem, this is a school problem. MCPS refuses to identify and properly serve kids with disabilities, particularly emotional or behavioral issues.

You can't sue to fix this problem for someone else's child, but if you are the parent of the disruptive child you will probably have to sue to get an appropriate public or private placement and MCPS will fight you every step.

Violent kids have a mental health problem. That’s different than a disability.

Mental health issues are disabilities. They may need different interventions than cognitive or physical disabilities. But they are disabilities nonetheless.

Schools are not equipped to treat mental health illnesses, any more than they can put your child’s fractured tibia into a cast.

Parent must come to retrieve their child to get the appropriate diagnosis and medical treatment. Teachers can not do this for you.

[Anonymous]

My wife works at a title 1 school.

There are multiple kids that beat up on, and destroy classrooms. It is DIFFICULT to get them removed from the school. Obviously they’re not getting the help or medication they need, but the school can only do so much.

When kids throw destructive tantrums, the whole class is evacuated. The parents are then called(they must help clean up) and the child is sent home for the day.