GLP-1s feel like a super power

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Anonymous wrote:It’s good that you never want to stop taking it, because you will have to take it forever if you don’t want to gain back the weight.


NP. This is what I'm afraid of. I'm 20 lbs overweight but just can't seem to shed it since menopause. I would love to take a GLP drug to lose those 20 lbs but I wouldn't want to be on it forever and I'd worry that the weight would come back upon stopping.


I took it for six months, lost what I wanted to lose, and stopped about six months ago. My weight has not increased since I stopped (though I imagine, over time, it will.) The really useful thing about the drug for me wasn't so much the decreased appetite, but the ability to distinguish hunger form other reasons to eat (boredom, the clock, a social situation.) I've been able to keep that distinction since stopping. Honestly kind of revelatory.

It's not that I don't have willpower. I've never once accepted a free sample at Costco! It's that the body's signals get tangled up. This untangled them for me. I have not seen any credible research (and I've looked) that suggests a few months has any negative longer term effects. And these drugs have been around now for several years, so if there were a reason not to give it a six-month trial, I'm sure we'd have heard about it.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so


I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs


Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.


Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-an...-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."


And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).


I love how you keep proving the point. Can't even stop angry-typing long enough to cite a single piece of research that supports your position, which you have made clear is not science, but a weirdly intense hostility toward fat people.

Step away from the computer. Go have a snack. Come back when you can engage intelligently.


I can see you still have the same lazy attitude towards DCUM as you do towards food and exercise. Why would I spend any time at all sourcing the multiple nutrition experts who have said GLP1s have the potential to be dangerous, when I'm a healthy weight and it doesnt affect me? By all means, inject yourself away.


I did share a source-- Case Western Reserve. Why won't you share yours? Because they don't exist? Because they're "health influencers" and not actual medical researchers?


Because no offense but I'm not really affected by fat people who lack self control screwing up their long term health with a quick fix weight loss drug? I mean, this same scenario has been happening for decades. And no amount of telling you guys about health or longevity makes a dent, so by all means, shove it deep into your veins.


You think it's administered like heroin? Did your instagram bestie tell you that?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so


I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs


Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.


Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-an...-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."


And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).


I love how you keep proving the point. Can't even stop angry-typing long enough to cite a single piece of research that supports your position, which you have made clear is not science, but a weirdly intense hostility toward fat people.

Step away from the computer. Go have a snack. Come back when you can engage intelligently.


I can see you still have the same lazy attitude towards DCUM as you do towards food and exercise. Why would I spend any time at all sourcing the multiple nutrition experts who have said GLP1s have the potential to be dangerous, when I'm a healthy weight and it doesnt affect me? By all means, inject yourself away.


I did share a source-- Case Western Reserve. Why won't you share yours? Because they don't exist? Because they're "health influencers" and not actual medical researchers?


Because no offense but I'm not really affected by fat people who lack self control screwing up their long term health with a quick fix weight loss drug? I mean, this same scenario has been happening for decades. And no amount of telling you guys about health or longevity makes a dent, so by all means, shove it deep into your veins.


So, no actual research sources then. Gotcha.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


The people who are the maddest are the ones who are skinny because of disordered eating habits that they have honed over many years to keep them from gaining a pound. They are PISSED that other people can get their food intake under control with a drug instead of through anorexia, shame and obsessive working out. They see their triumph as them being better than other people. But now that the playing field is being evened out they are mad about it.

I actually think the biggest and worst judgment comes from people with great genes and metabolism. Many many of these people think they "just use portion control" when they have no idea that I could eat exactly 1/2 of them and remain exactly the same weight or eat the same amount as they do and feel absolutely starving. They want to feel superior and like winners, not just lucky. And now that we also feel full and satisfied after 1/2 of a restaurant meal or are losing weight no our usual healthy diet, they feel we're cheating. We all just want to be healthy. Let us be.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so


I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs


Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.


Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-an...-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."


And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).


I love how you keep proving the point. Can't even stop angry-typing long enough to cite a single piece of research that supports your position, which you have made clear is not science, but a weirdly intense hostility toward fat people.

Step away from the computer. Go have a snack. Come back when you can engage intelligently.


I can see you still have the same lazy attitude towards DCUM as you do towards food and exercise. Why would I spend any time at all sourcing the multiple nutrition experts who have said GLP1s have the potential to be dangerous, when I'm a healthy weight and it doesnt affect me? By all means, inject yourself away.


I did share a source-- Case Western Reserve. Why won't you share yours? Because they don't exist? Because they're "health influencers" and not actual medical researchers?


Because no offense but I'm not really affected by fat people who lack self control screwing up their long term health with a quick fix weight loss drug? I mean, this same scenario has been happening for decades. And no amount of telling you guys about health or longevity makes a dent, so by all means, shove it deep into your veins.


You think it's administered like heroin? Did your instagram bestie tell you that?


Do you think heroin is the only thing that gets injected?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


The people who are the maddest are the ones who are skinny because of disordered eating habits that they have honed over many years to keep them from gaining a pound. They are PISSED that other people can get their food intake under control with a drug instead of through anorexia, shame and obsessive working out. They see their triumph as them being better than other people. But now that the playing field is being evened out they are mad about it.

I actually think the biggest and worst judgment comes from people with great genes and metabolism. Many many of these people think they "just use portion control" when they have no idea that I could eat exactly 1/2 of them and remain exactly the same weight or eat the same amount as they do and feel absolutely starving. They want to feel superior and like winners, not just lucky. And now that we also feel full and satisfied after 1/2 of a restaurant meal or are losing weight no our usual healthy diet, they feel we're cheating. We all just want to be healthy. Let us be.

now I have a superpower too!
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


The people who are the maddest are the ones who are skinny because of disordered eating habits that they have honed over many years to keep them from gaining a pound. They are PISSED that other people can get their food intake under control with a drug instead of through anorexia, shame and obsessive working out. They see their triumph as them being better than other people. But now that the playing field is being evened out they are mad about it.

I actually think the biggest and worst judgment comes from people with great genes and metabolism. Many many of these people think they "just use portion control" when they have no idea that I could eat exactly 1/2 of them and remain exactly the same weight or eat the same amount as they do and feel absolutely starving. They want to feel superior and like winners, not just lucky. And now that we also feel full and satisfied after 1/2 of a restaurant meal or are losing weight no our usual healthy diet, they feel we're cheating. We all just want to be healthy. Let us be.


They probably do know this... all you have to do is watch a couple episodes of My 600 Pound Life to realize that. The thing is, when you eat healthily, your appetite/stomach size does adjust. And even if you wanted to eat large amounts, that's completely fine so long as it's healthy. No one is getting fat off eating huge amounts of brocolli, let's be 100% real.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so


And what “health experts” are those, lol? The imaginary kind?

Even my dentist is talking about how excited she is about her patients with gum disease who are on them—their inflammation is magically gone.
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Anonymous wrote:Yeah because it's artificially taking away your appetite, lol. It's nothing to do with your own self control or anything, just a drug that allows you to have some will power for once.


Yes. That is the point. It is a miracle drug for a lot of people. That is a good thing.


it's a good thing that they didnt develop self control and healthy eating habits?


You’re tiring. I have self control and healthy eating habits and have gained all kinds of weight post late pregnancy and early menopause that isn’t related to those things. Get over yourself. You’ll have to find a new way to demonstrate your superiority.


+1

I have healthier eating habits than most people I know. A med I have to take if I want to live wrecked my metabolism and caused me to gain almost 100 pounds.

At some point we need to stop arguing with ignorance I guess, but it is hard when it is so nasty and personal.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


The people who are the maddest are the ones who are skinny because of disordered eating habits that they have honed over many years to keep them from gaining a pound. They are PISSED that other people can get their food intake under control with a drug instead of through anorexia, shame and obsessive working out. They see their triumph as them being better than other people. But now that the playing field is being evened out they are mad about it.

I actually think the biggest and worst judgment comes from people with great genes and metabolism. Many many of these people think they "just use portion control" when they have no idea that I could eat exactly 1/2 of them and remain exactly the same weight or eat the same amount as they do and feel absolutely starving. They want to feel superior and like winners, not just lucky. And now that we also feel full and satisfied after 1/2 of a restaurant meal or are losing weight no our usual healthy diet, they feel we're cheating. We all just want to be healthy. Let us be.


They probably do know this... all you have to do is watch a couple episodes of My 600 Pound Life to realize that. The thing is, when you eat healthily, your appetite/stomach size does adjust. And even if you wanted to eat large amounts, that's completely fine so long as it's healthy. No one is getting fat off eating huge amounts of brocolli, let's be 100% real.

Who eats huge amount of broccoli, for real?
I'm a healthy-eating vegetarian and was at a healthy weight and A1c before menopause and cancer. Under care of my pcp, I tried many ways to lose weight and reduce A1c and was unsuccessful. Enter GLP-1. Eat the same and lose weight and achieve normal A1c at the same time. It's been a miracle drug for me.
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Anonymous wrote:Awesome news. I also love food. I’m starting Zep tomorrow and I’m really excited.


Thanks for the supportive comment. That's what I'm on (tirzepatide compounded, which is the generic of Zep). I've always looked at people who've been able to eat the way I'm eating on this drug and think they had absolute supreme willpower, and wonder how the heck they could do it so consistently.

Now I am that person. It really does feel like magic.

I am excited for you and wish you the best!


I’m so confused — I thought that compounded tirzepatide could no longer be sold.


You say this on every thread, but never with any citation. Clearly folks are still getting compounded weight loss drugs. I don't know why you keep bringing it up without doing some research.


What are you on about? It’s common knowledge that GLP1 meds are on patent and the shortage allowing for compounding is over. DP
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?


The people who are the maddest are the ones who are skinny because of disordered eating habits that they have honed over many years to keep them from gaining a pound. They are PISSED that other people can get their food intake under control with a drug instead of through anorexia, shame and obsessive working out. They see their triumph as them being better than other people. But now that the playing field is being evened out they are mad about it.

I actually think the biggest and worst judgment comes from people with great genes and metabolism. Many many of these people think they "just use portion control" when they have no idea that I could eat exactly 1/2 of them and remain exactly the same weight or eat the same amount as they do and feel absolutely starving. They want to feel superior and like winners, not just lucky. And now that we also feel full and satisfied after 1/2 of a restaurant meal or are losing weight no our usual healthy diet, they feel we're cheating. We all just want to be healthy. Let us be.


They probably do know this... all you have to do is watch a couple episodes of My 600 Pound Life to realize that. The thing is, when you eat healthily, your appetite/stomach size does adjust. And even if you wanted to eat large amounts, that's completely fine so long as it's healthy. No one is getting fat off eating huge amounts of brocolli, let's be 100% real.

Who eats huge amount of broccoli, for real?
I'm a healthy-eating vegetarian and was at a healthy weight and A1c before menopause and cancer. Under care of my pcp, I tried many ways to lose weight and reduce A1c and was unsuccessful. Enter GLP-1. Eat the same and lose weight and achieve normal A1c at the same time. It's been a miracle drug for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Awesome news. I also love food. I’m starting Zep tomorrow and I’m really excited.


Thanks for the supportive comment. That's what I'm on (tirzepatide compounded, which is the generic of Zep). I've always looked at people who've been able to eat the way I'm eating on this drug and think they had absolute supreme willpower, and wonder how the heck they could do it so consistently.

Now I am that person. It really does feel like magic.

I am excited for you and wish you the best!


I’m so confused — I thought that compounded tirzepatide could no longer be sold.


You say this on every thread, but never with any citation. Clearly folks are still getting compounded weight loss drugs. I don't know why you keep bringing it up without doing some research.


What are you on about? It’s common knowledge that GLP1 meds are on patent and the shortage allowing for compounding is over. DP


How do you think we're all getting them??
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Anonymous wrote:Awesome news. I also love food. I’m starting Zep tomorrow and I’m really excited.


Thanks for the supportive comment. That's what I'm on (tirzepatide compounded, which is the generic of Zep). I've always looked at people who've been able to eat the way I'm eating on this drug and think they had absolute supreme willpower, and wonder how the heck they could do it so consistently.

Now I am that person. It really does feel like magic.

I am excited for you and wish you the best!


I’m so confused — I thought that compounded tirzepatide could no longer be sold.


You say this on every thread, but never with any citation. Clearly folks are still getting compounded weight loss drugs. I don't know why you keep bringing it up without doing some research.


What are you on about? It’s common knowledge that GLP1 meds are on patent and the shortage allowing for compounding is over. DP


How do you think we're all getting them??

I believe May 22 is the date that the larger compounding pharmacies have to stop by. I think how people will get them is still to be determined.
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Listen up, people.

Only 6% of Americans eat the RDA of fiber every day. SIX PERCENT.

The RDA of fiber is 25g for females and 38g for males.

Historically human beings consumed around 100g daily of fiber, before the advent of processed foods.

We evolved over six million years to consume a diet high in fiber, which feeds the bacteria that live in our gut and elsewhere in our bodies. We are actually made of many, many more bacteria than of our own cells. When our bacteria are sick, we get sick - from chronic inflammatory conditions to cancers like colon cancer.

When we don't eat fiber we can't produce short chain fatty acids, there are no supplements, this is something that our passenger bacteria make when they eat fiber in our gut. If we don't eat fiber, no SCFAs - and SCFAs are fundamental to good health.

These diet drugs work to reduce weight, they work to reduce weight related illnesses. But they are very much a band aid on a wound that will still fester.

The key to good health is to ditch the junk and learn to love REAL FOOD.

Listen I am not judging anybody - I am struggling with my weight and have a whole lot more than 20lbs to lose. I was normal weight for nearly 40 years despite consuming the unhealthy standard American diet, but after some health issues in my early 40s that all came crashing down and weight piled on.

I struggle to eat clean all the time, and have compromised by giving myself at least one day per week - more often the whole weekend - to eat stuff that makes my mouth and mind happy but which doesn't feed my 38 trillion passengers. I try hard to feed those guys as a priority at least 5 days a week. I've learned to eat things that were never really fed to me growing up and I have transformed my gut health. My buddies can tolerate General Gau's chicken once a week so long as they get prunes, dates, figs, beans, apples, bananas, leafy greens, nuts, seeds, whole grains the rest of the week. On the days that I start out having beans for breakfast, I hardly think about food all day long. I carry around my little containers of figs, dates, prunes, nuts, etc. and eat them whether I feel hungry or not.

So if you don't have a grand to spend on GLP-1s every month, try REAL FOOD. It's far less expensive and you will be amazed (I was!) by the transformation of your skin, hair, mood etc. when you are giving your buddies a steady supply of the food THEY like, and in return they give you a steady supply of SCFAs.
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