GLP-1s feel like a super power

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah because it's artificially taking away your appetite, lol. It's nothing to do with your own self control or anything, just a drug that allows you to have some will power for once.

Yes. That is the point. It is a miracle drug for a lot of people. That is a good thing.

it's a good thing that they didnt develop self control and healthy eating habits?

Or maybe it’s a good thing for people with PCOS, people with genetically high a1C, people with other PHYSICAL or mental health issues diagnosed by actual medical professionals.

I’m not a fan of the vanity users either and I think they are causing harm for the people whose medical history proves their body does not lose weight without intervention. But for people with legitimate medical issues it has been a game changer to get to healthy weights.

Sure, which is not the vast majority of users, who are mostly people like OP who admit to binging on cocktail weenies and burrito bowls.

Oh no, someone has multiple good things! This must be stopped!!

The fact that you view cocktail weenies as "good food" is exactly how you got in this physical predicament, ma'am.

One person's cocktail weenies are another person's brie and baguette... the really good baguette, with a crisp exterior and soft pillowy insides. Mmmm bread.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

Because they are a-holes.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so

I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs

Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.

Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-and-weight-loss-drug-may-reduce-risk-of-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."

And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).

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A high fiber diet works the same by naturally stimulating the hormone that these drugs artificially mimic - and with zero negative side effects beyond a little gas as your gut adjusts to the diet it evolved to consume. Also high fiber diet is massively cheaper than these drugs, and brings so many positive benefits to the overall health of your body not least of which is the production of short chain fatty acids that only come from the bacteria in your gut consuming fiber from whole foods.

But yeah, it means lifestyle change and most folks would rather take a jab and deal with the negative side effects and accept that if they ever stop taking this expensive drug the weight will pile back on.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah because it's artificially taking away your appetite, lol. It's nothing to do with your own self control or anything, just a drug that allows you to have some will power for once.

Yes. That is the point. It is a miracle drug for a lot of people. That is a good thing.

it's a good thing that they didnt develop self control and healthy eating habits?

Or maybe it’s a good thing for people with PCOS, people with genetically high a1C, people with other PHYSICAL or mental health issues diagnosed by actual medical professionals.

I’m not a fan of the vanity users either and I think they are causing harm for the people whose medical history proves their body does not lose weight without intervention. But for people with legitimate medical issues it has been a game changer to get to healthy weights.

Sure, which is not the vast majority of users, who are mostly people like OP who admit to binging on cocktail weenies and burrito bowls.

Oh no, someone has multiple good things! This must be stopped!!

The fact that you view cocktail weenies as "good food" is exactly how you got in this physical predicament, ma'am.

One person's cocktail weenies are another person's brie and baguette... the really good baguette, with a crisp exterior and soft pillowy insides. Mmmm bread.

One person's Paris apartment is another person's single wide trailer in Duluth, Georgia, by that same logic. Anyway, thanks for proving the stereotypes about GLP-1 users.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

The people who are the maddest are the ones who are skinny because of disordered eating habits that they have honed over many years to keep them from gaining a pound. They are PISSED that other people can get their food intake under control with a drug instead of through anorexia, shame and obsessive working out. They see their triumph as them being better than other people. But now that the playing field is being evened out they are mad about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah because it's artificially taking away your appetite, lol. It's nothing to do with your own self control or anything, just a drug that allows you to have some will power for once.

Yes. That is the point. It is a miracle drug for a lot of people. That is a good thing.

it's a good thing that they didnt develop self control and healthy eating habits?

Or maybe it’s a good thing for people with PCOS, people with genetically high a1C, people with other PHYSICAL or mental health issues diagnosed by actual medical professionals.

I’m not a fan of the vanity users either and I think they are causing harm for the people whose medical history proves their body does not lose weight without intervention. But for people with legitimate medical issues it has been a game changer to get to healthy weights.

Sure, which is not the vast majority of users, who are mostly people like OP who admit to binging on cocktail weenies and burrito bowls.

Oh no, someone has multiple good things! This must be stopped!!

The fact that you view cocktail weenies as "good food" is exactly how you got in this physical predicament, ma'am.

One person's cocktail weenies are another person's brie and baguette... the really good baguette, with a crisp exterior and soft pillowy insides. Mmmm bread.

One person's Paris apartment is another person's single wide trailer in Duluth, Georgia, by that same logic. Anyway, thanks for proving the stereotypes about GLP-1 users.

Yes. They are both places to live. Glad you caught on.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so

I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs

Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.

Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-and-weight-loss-drug-may-reduce-risk-of-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."

And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).

I love how you keep proving the point. Can't even stop angry-typing long enough to cite a single piece of research that supports your position, which you have made clear is not science, but a weirdly intense hostility toward fat people.

Step away from the computer. Go have a snack. Come back when you can engage intelligently.

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Anonymous wrote:A high fiber diet works the same by naturally stimulating the hormone that these drugs artificially mimic - and with zero negative side effects beyond a little gas as your gut adjusts to the diet it evolved to consume. Also high fiber diet is massively cheaper than these drugs, and brings so many positive benefits to the overall health of your body not least of which is the production of short chain fatty acids that only come from the bacteria in your gut consuming fiber from whole foods.

But yeah, it means lifestyle change and most folks would rather take a jab and deal with the negative side effects and accept that if they ever stop taking this expensive drug the weight will pile back on.

Exactly, but these people dont wanna hear it. Frankly theyre lazy and gluttonous and dont want anyone telling them that it's probably not the healthiest thing to have a diet consisting of Chimichangas and mayo-sour cream chicken casserole. And that, no, they shouldnt eat 8 servings of chips. So they take this drug and feel like theyve accomplished something while still having their very disordered diet

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I'm happy for you OP! - someone who isn't on GLP-1 (not sure how to generalize these drugs)

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so

I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs

Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.

Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-and-weight-loss-drug-may-reduce-risk-of-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."

And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).

I love how you keep proving the point. Can't even stop angry-typing long enough to cite a single piece of research that supports your position, which you have made clear is not science, but a weirdly intense hostility toward fat people.

Step away from the computer. Go have a snack. Come back when you can engage intelligently.

I can see you still have the same lazy attitude towards DCUM as you do towards food and exercise. Why would I spend any time at all sourcing the multiple nutrition experts who have said GLP1s have the potential to be dangerous, when I'm a healthy weight and it doesnt affect me? By all means, inject yourself away.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

The people who are the maddest are the ones who are skinny because of disordered eating habits that they have honed over many years to keep them from gaining a pound. They are PISSED that other people can get their food intake under control with a drug instead of through anorexia, shame and obsessive working out. They see their triumph as them being better than other people. But now that the playing field is being evened out they are mad about it.

I think there's something to this. I had a friend who went through some post-trauma anorexia. (She's fine now!) And one of the things she said was that it made her feel powerful. To be able to get through her day-- including 90 minute workouts-- on 200 calories was an accomplishment for her, something in her control, a power that others didn't have. The skinniness was almost a bonus (ew). The real motivation was the sense of control.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s good that you never want to stop taking it, because you will have to take it forever if you don’t want to gain back the weight.

NP. This is what I'm afraid of. I'm 20 lbs overweight but just can't seem to shed it since menopause. I would love to take a GLP drug to lose those 20 lbs but I wouldn't want to be on it forever and I'd worry that the weight would come back upon stopping.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so

I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs

Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.

Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-and-weight-loss-drug-may-reduce-risk-of-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."

And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).

I love how you keep proving the point. Can't even stop angry-typing long enough to cite a single piece of research that supports your position, which you have made clear is not science, but a weirdly intense hostility toward fat people.

Step away from the computer. Go have a snack. Come back when you can engage intelligently.

I can see you still have the same lazy attitude towards DCUM as you do towards food and exercise. Why would I spend any time at all sourcing the multiple nutrition experts who have said GLP1s have the potential to be dangerous, when I'm a healthy weight and it doesnt affect me? By all means, inject yourself away.

I did share a source-- Case Western Reserve. Why won't you share yours? Because they don't exist? Because they're "health influencers" and not actual medical researchers?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why people care or seem to look down on the use of these drugs. It makes people healthier and the side effects seem to be minimal so who cares? Why would you want to be negative about that?

It's jealousy. People who lose weight on this drug convince themselves that people who are slimmer are simply able to be that way with little effort or with some sort of natural will power. Meanwhile, for most of us, it is a big effort to keep weight off, especially when you are over 50. It's kind of annoying when people are rhapsodising about how easy it is when it is hard work for many of us. I am not obese and do not qualify for these drugs and so I have to try to maintain control over food and exercise. Meanwhile, I have friends who were not obese in the first place but managed to get a prescription and talk about how easy it is and that they feel like they are 'cheating' since they have not changed the sort of food they eat and do no exercise. I absolutely get that this is not the case for everyone. But maybe you understand that it can get grating.

Are people healthier when they take GLP-1s? Most health experts I've seen certainly dont seem to think so

I don't think you are correct. I know many people who were able to go off other meds, including for diabetes and high blood pressure, because they lost weight through these drugs. If losing the weight prevents heart attacks and stroke and other risks that come from obesity, yes, you are healthier from being on the weight loss drugs

Yes, for those who are severely obese/unhealthy and their health/body is an otherwise lost cause, its a big help. for anyone who is NOT morbidly obese or who has severe health issues as a result of their lack of self control, most health experts strongly advise against it.

Whereas I'm seeing headlines all over the place about how the new drug class may reduce the risk of all kinds of health issues. Even being a little overweight increases the risk of heart, kidney, and liver function. And due to a human's musculoskeletal design, we need to be a little under weight per current standards for optimum joint health.

But more interesting and less glaringly obvious, in studies of people with Type 2 diabetes, research has turned up a link to reduction of risk of developing dementia. Not sure how that works, since they've only been available a few years, but I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone else can parse it out for us: https://thedaily.case.edu/popular-diabetes-and-weight-loss-drug-may-reduce-risk-of-alzheimers-disease/

So I think you're full of shit, and just saying stuff that feels true to you. Your "most health experts" sounds like DJT's "many people are saying..."

And I think youre full of shit, and wishfully thinking that a major medication intended for diabetics will somehow have no negative health consequences, even when people literally have a term for the extreme level of visible aging when people take the drug in question (ozempic face). But then again, most of you who end up having to inject drugs in order to get them to just quit shoving food down their throat all the time aren't... exactly educated about health, to put it kindly, so no surprise that you dont see why that would be an issue. I'll continue to listen to all the reputable experts and doctors who strongly advise against going on these drugs unless you deeply need them (are morbidly obese, diabetic, etc).

I love how you keep proving the point. Can't even stop angry-typing long enough to cite a single piece of research that supports your position, which you have made clear is not science, but a weirdly intense hostility toward fat people.

Step away from the computer. Go have a snack. Come back when you can engage intelligently.

I can see you still have the same lazy attitude towards DCUM as you do towards food and exercise. Why would I spend any time at all sourcing the multiple nutrition experts who have said GLP1s have the potential to be dangerous, when I'm a healthy weight and it doesnt affect me? By all means, inject yourself away.

I did share a source-- Case Western Reserve. Why won't you share yours? Because they don't exist? Because they're "health influencers" and not actual medical researchers?

Because no offense but I'm not really affected by fat people who lack self control screwing up their long term health with a quick fix weight loss drug? I mean, this same scenario has been happening for decades. And no amount of telling you guys about health or longevity makes a dent, so by all means, shove it deep into your veins.