Brother and SIL's parenting bordering or actual abuse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by a real relationship with their kids? Their kids are 3 and 5.

What authorities told them not to spank?

I don’t spank my children but your way of describing this is very weird.

This is another weirdo troll post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by a real relationship with their kids? Their kids are 3 and 5.

What authorities told them not to spank?

I don’t spank my children but your way of describing this is very weird.

I mean like they don't seem like they love their kids or that they don't seem to see their kids as unique people with their own personalities and strengths challenges etc. I'm not sure how to describe it.

The people who assessed the child and the teachers/principal of the school both told them that spanking is very detrimental.

My dad used to whail on my brother and I think he's doing that and it is a little triggering for me to know that he is repeating all of that.

Unless you suspect actual physical abuse, stay out of it.

Hard, repeated, angry spanking *IS* physical abuse. It's contraindicated for all children, but especially those who are developmentally delayed (which is what ADHD is, really. A 30% delay in executive function). OP, it sounds like you need to grow a pair. Unless you suddenly think that this sort of spanking isn't abuse, in which case, yes, I guess mind your own business and stop trying to moralize with your "better" parenting techniques. Stand up for a clear boundary, or shut up.

It depends on a lot of things. Spanking, while you might disagree with it, in most cases, is not physical abuse.

You can of course have your opinion. The science and literature on this is pretty clear. Spanking is hitting. Hitting is physical abuse. Spanking, if not "abuse" itself, is strongly predictive of something that slides over the line to physical abuse, and it is proven to increase negative outcomes across various measures. To the extent there is a line one could stay on the "non-physical-abuse" side of, it doesn't sound like OP's family is doing so. Hard, repeated, aggressive hitting is hard, repeated, aggressive hitting. You can't call all forms of hitting mere "spanking" and dodge the fact that it's abuse. There are some manifestations of spanking that can be reasonably characterized as falling on an acceptable side of a line on the slippery slope, but at best it's a slippery slope. And angry, harsh, repeated, aggressive use of hitting does not sound like it's avoiding the slide. At all.

There's a reason no other developed nation allows spanking. I can't believe the harpies descending to attack OP who wants to help these kids, and excuse parents hitting small children including one with significant disabilities. Just disgusting. Parenting is very difficult and special needs can present extradorniray challenge. And that's when you ask for help. The answer in not hitting your child.

It's so nice to have all of the answers and feel superior, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well aren't you a judgmental little wench!

Nothing like having a self-important, judgy sibling without special needs children question your parenting when you are struggling! OP thinks she knows a lot even though she hardly sees them. Hopefully her brother gets wise to what a backstabber she is.

OP is a loving aunt trying to help the children, look in the mirror.

Op is a troll. You are clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:Well aren't you a judgmental little wench!

Nothing like having a self-important, judgy sibling without special needs children question your parenting when you are struggling! OP thinks she knows a lot even though she hardly sees them. Hopefully her brother gets wise to what a backstabber she is.

OP is a loving aunt trying to help the children, look in the mirror.

Op is a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by a real relationship with their kids? Their kids are 3 and 5.

What authorities told them not to spank?

I don’t spank my children but your way of describing this is very weird.

I mean like they don't seem like they love their kids or that they don't seem to see their kids as unique people with their own personalities and strengths challenges etc. I'm not sure how to describe it.

The people who assessed the child and the teachers/principal of the school both told them that spanking is very detrimental.

My dad used to whail on my brother and I think he's doing that and it is a little triggering for me to know that he is repeating all of that.

Unless you suspect actual physical abuse, stay out of it.

Hard, repeated, angry spanking *IS* physical abuse. It's contraindicated for all children, but especially those who are developmentally delayed (which is what ADHD is, really. A 30% delay in executive function). OP, it sounds like you need to grow a pair. Unless you suddenly think that this sort of spanking isn't abuse, in which case, yes, I guess mind your own business and stop trying to moralize with your "better" parenting techniques. Stand up for a clear boundary, or shut up.

It depends on a lot of things. Spanking, while you might disagree with it, in most cases, is not physical abuse.

You can of course have your opinion. The science and literature on this is pretty clear. Spanking is hitting. Hitting is physical abuse. Spanking, if not "abuse" itself, is strongly predictive of something that slides over the line to physical abuse, and it is proven to increase negative outcomes across various measures. To the extent there is a line one could stay on the "non-physical-abuse" side of, it doesn't sound like OP's family is doing so. Hard, repeated, aggressive hitting is hard, repeated, aggressive hitting. You can't call all forms of hitting mere "spanking" and dodge the fact that it's abuse. There are some manifestations of spanking that can be reasonably characterized as falling on an acceptable side of a line on the slippery slope, but at best it's a slippery slope. And angry, harsh, repeated, aggressive use of hitting does not sound like it's avoiding the slide. At all.

You can of course have your opinion which you have stated here, but legally spanking is not abuse and reporting it does nothing. So go ahead but LEGALLY the parents are allowed to spank.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by a real relationship with their kids? Their kids are 3 and 5.

What authorities told them not to spank?

I don’t spank my children but your way of describing this is very weird.

I mean like they don't seem like they love their kids or that they don't seem to see their kids as unique people with their own personalities and strengths challenges etc. I'm not sure how to describe it.

The people who assessed the child and the teachers/principal of the school both told them that spanking is very detrimental.

My dad used to whail on my brother and I think he's doing that and it is a little triggering for me to know that he is repeating all of that.

Unless you suspect actual physical abuse, stay out of it.

Hard, repeated, angry spanking *IS* physical abuse. It's contraindicated for all children, but especially those who are developmentally delayed (which is what ADHD is, really. A 30% delay in executive function). OP, it sounds like you need to grow a pair. Unless you suddenly think that this sort of spanking isn't abuse, in which case, yes, I guess mind your own business and stop trying to moralize with your "better" parenting techniques. Stand up for a clear boundary, or shut up.

It depends on a lot of things. Spanking, while you might disagree with it, in most cases, is not physical abuse.

You can of course have your opinion. The science and literature on this is pretty clear. Spanking is hitting. Hitting is physical abuse. Spanking, if not "abuse" itself, is strongly predictive of something that slides over the line to physical abuse, and it is proven to increase negative outcomes across various measures. To the extent there is a line one could stay on the "non-physical-abuse" side of, it doesn't sound like OP's family is doing so. Hard, repeated, aggressive hitting is hard, repeated, aggressive hitting. You can't call all forms of hitting mere "spanking" and dodge the fact that it's abuse. There are some manifestations of spanking that can be reasonably characterized as falling on an acceptable side of a line on the slippery slope, but at best it's a slippery slope. And angry, harsh, repeated, aggressive use of hitting does not sound like it's avoiding the slide. At all.

There's a reason no other developed nation allows spanking. I can't believe the harpies descending to attack OP who wants to help these kids, and excuse parents hitting small children including one with significant disabilities. Just disgusting. Parenting is very difficult and special needs can present extradorniray challenge. And that's when you ask for help. The answer in not hitting your child.

Um, many other countries permit spanking. The UK does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, you have no idea what it's like to parent multiple young kids with special needs. It's incredibly hard.

It's very seldom better for them to be put in the care of foster parents who will show them even less empathy and understanding.

I agree with others who have posted that the best thing you can do is take them one on one and try to build relationships with them.

It completely and utterly normal for a parent of kids that age to have to take a break from a phone call to handle situations. If you are even the slightest bit alarmed or surprised by this then you are clearly not one to judge.

So, again, as an aunt to these children, try to be a solid adult presence in their lives. Build relationships with them. Pay for camps you think would be helpful. Maybe even take a class on how to parent kids of this age with these disabilities so that you can find a way to have more knowledge and compassion. Because you're clearly lacking in both right now.

Things can be hard. That however does not give you the right to act abusive. If it’s hard, get help. Look into resources. Or, how about plan for parenthood—which includes what would be our plan if a kid has SN. And don’t tell me tge parents aren’t aware. F they can look up whatever their cult leader is saying. It’s a choice

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by a real relationship with their kids? Their kids are 3 and 5.

What authorities told them not to spank?

I don’t spank my children but your way of describing this is very weird.

I mean like they don't seem like they love their kids or that they don't seem to see their kids as unique people with their own personalities and strengths challenges etc. I'm not sure how to describe it.

The people who assessed the child and the teachers/principal of the school both told them that spanking is very detrimental.

My dad used to whail on my brother and I think he's doing that and it is a little triggering for me to know that he is repeating all of that.

Unless you suspect actual physical abuse, stay out of it.

Hard, repeated, angry spanking *IS* physical abuse. It's contraindicated for all children, but especially those who are developmentally delayed (which is what ADHD is, really. A 30% delay in executive function). OP, it sounds like you need to grow a pair. Unless you suddenly think that this sort of spanking isn't abuse, in which case, yes, I guess mind your own business and stop trying to moralize with your "better" parenting techniques. Stand up for a clear boundary, or shut up.

It depends on a lot of things. Spanking, while you might disagree with it, in most cases, is not physical abuse.

You can of course have your opinion. The science and literature on this is pretty clear. Spanking is hitting. Hitting is physical abuse. Spanking, if not "abuse" itself, is strongly predictive of something that slides over the line to physical abuse, and it is proven to increase negative outcomes across various measures. To the extent there is a line one could stay on the "non-physical-abuse" side of, it doesn't sound like OP's family is doing so. Hard, repeated, aggressive hitting is hard, repeated, aggressive hitting. You can't call all forms of hitting mere "spanking" and dodge the fact that it's abuse. There are some manifestations of spanking that can be reasonably characterized as falling on an acceptable side of a line on the slippery slope, but at best it's a slippery slope. And angry, harsh, repeated, aggressive use of hitting does not sound like it's avoiding the slide. At all.

There's a reason no other developed nation allows spanking. I can't believe the harpies descending to attack OP who wants to help these kids, and excuse parents hitting small children including one with significant disabilities. Just disgusting. Parenting is very difficult and special needs can present extradorniray challenge. And that's when you ask for help. The answer in not hitting your child.

It's so nice to have all of the answers and feel superior, isn't it?

I don't feel superior. I feel sad for the children who suffer abuse. Any form of physical violence is abuse, and it damages children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What authorities?…
This is child abused and you are complicit by standing by and doing nothing.

I don’t car3 what their religion is that’s an excuse this is wrong period and you are horrible for not reporting them

OP mentioned "authorities" were involved but did not specify who they were. That is relevant information.