Why are so many convinced that authoritarianism is "freedom"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gun rights is the litmus test

Anybody taking gun rights is a suspected authoritarian.

Zero authoritarians are pro gun rights

100 percent of nonauthoritarians are pro gun rights for the population

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gun rights is the litmus test

Anybody taking gun rights is a suspected authoritarian.

Zero authoritarians are pro gun rights

100 percent of authoritarians are pro gun rights for the population

This is false. Hitler did not broadly take gun rights away from Germans, in fact gun rights were expanded from the strict gun controls the Nazi regime inherited from the Weimar Republic. In 1938, the Nazi Regime passed the German Weapons Act which significantly relaxed gun ownership and gun rights for Party members and "politically reliable" Germans. In that same law, the right to own or manufacture guns or ammunition was stripped away from Jews and other "enemies of the state" leading to Kristallnacht and the attacks and persecution of Jews.

Australia imposed significant gun restrictions after a shocking mass shooting. Have they become more authoritarian since then, or as a result of this? NO. Not even remotely. If anything there are far fewer concerns about authoritarianism in Australia than there are in the US.

Your beliefs are mistaken and your narrative is broken and undermined by documented historical facts to the contrary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gun rights is the litmus test

Anybody taking gun rights is a suspected authoritarian.

Zero authoritarians are pro gun rights

100 percent of authoritarians are pro gun rights for the population

This is false. Hitler did not broadly take gun rights away from Germans, in fact gun rights were expanded from the strict gun controls the Nazi regime inherited from the Weimar Republic. In 1938, the Nazi Regime passed the German Weapons Act which significantly relaxed gun ownership and gun rights for Party members and "politically reliable" Germans. In that same law, the right to own or manufacture guns or ammunition was stripped away from Jews and other "enemies of the state" leading to Kristallnacht and the attacks and persecution of Jews.

Australia imposed significant gun restrictions after a shocking mass shooting. Have they become more authoritarian since then, or as a result of this? NO. Not even remotely. If anything there are far fewer concerns about authoritarianism in Australia than there are in the US.

Your beliefs are mistaken and your narrative is broken and undermined by documented historical facts to the contrary.

Hitler did not allow Jews to have guns

Authoritarians take guns because they don't want to get shot

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They think freedom means white men are at the top of society instead of freedom meaning everyone gets to try to be at the top of society.

I think MAGA is civic nationalist more so than white supremacist.

No they aren't. Civic nationalism would embrace diversity and inclusivity. MAGA does not.

Civic nationalism doesn't embrase diversity, its the opposite.

It embrances the commonalities a population has rather than emphasizing the differences or ethnocentricism. Those commonalities being shared values, rather than a nation that shares blood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t feel any less free.

That’s because you’re unobservant and/or a member of the protected class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gun rights is the litmus test

Anybody taking gun rights is a suspected authoritarian.

Zero authoritarians are pro gun rights

100 percent of authoritarians are pro gun rights for the population

This is false. Hitler did not broadly take gun rights away from Germans, in fact gun rights were expanded from the strict gun controls the Nazi regime inherited from the Weimar Republic. In 1938, the Nazi Regime passed the German Weapons Act which significantly relaxed gun ownership and gun rights for Party members and "politically reliable" Germans. In that same law, the right to own or manufacture guns or ammunition was stripped away from Jews and other "enemies of the state" leading to Kristallnacht and the attacks and persecution of Jews.

Australia imposed significant gun restrictions after a shocking mass shooting. Have they become more authoritarian since then, or as a result of this? NO. Not even remotely. If anything there are far fewer concerns about authoritarianism in Australia than there are in the US.

Your beliefs are mistaken and your narrative is broken and undermined by documented historical facts to the contrary.

Hitler did not allow Jews to have guns

Authoritarians take guns because they don't want to get shot

Reading is not your strong suit. He EXPANDED gun rights for non-Jewish Germans. The OPPOSITE of taking guns away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gun rights is the litmus test

Anybody taking gun rights is a suspected authoritarian.

Zero authoritarians are pro gun rights

100 percent of authoritarians are pro gun rights for the population

This is false. Hitler did not broadly take gun rights away from Germans, in fact gun rights were expanded from the strict gun controls the Nazi regime inherited from the Weimar Republic. In 1938, the Nazi Regime passed the German Weapons Act which significantly relaxed gun ownership and gun rights for Party members and "politically reliable" Germans. In that same law, the right to own or manufacture guns or ammunition was stripped away from Jews and other "enemies of the state" leading to Kristallnacht and the attacks and persecution of Jews.

Australia imposed significant gun restrictions after a shocking mass shooting. Have they become more authoritarian since then, or as a result of this? NO. Not even remotely. If anything there are far fewer concerns about authoritarianism in Australia than there are in the US.

Your beliefs are mistaken and your narrative is broken and undermined by documented historical facts to the contrary.

Hitler did not allow Jews to have guns

Authoritarians take guns because they don't want to get shot

Reading is not your strong suit. He EXPANDED gun rights for non-Jewish Germans. The OPPOSITE of taking guns away.

Non Jewish?

Gun rights are for everybody so they can shoot authorititarians

Everybody has access to guns in non authoritarian regimes

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This. Agree 100%. When deploying to the Middle East we had to get anthrax vaccines, or when on other deployments often it was typhoid, yellow fever, japanese encephalitis and so on, depending on what was prevalent and a risk.

Unvaccinated soldiers pose a risk to the readiness of the unit. No vaccine: Not mission ready, not mission capable, not deployable. Period.

Get the damn vaccine.

Or, better yet, if you're so prone to weak-brained conspiracy theory BS and propaganda, you are also a risk to the mission. If you actually believe all the disinfo claiming things like "the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID" then god knows what other stupid shit you believe and you probably have no business serving because you are a weak link who could undermine the unit.

According to these people, being too much of a wimp to get a vaccine makes one a "patriot."

[Anonymous]

Fascism means the government is free to do whatever it wants to achieve its agenda. So I guess that’s what they mean by freedom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every Trumper/MAGA/Q person says they want to "restore freedom." Why are so many convinced that their authoritarian policies of firing scientists, targeting universities, banning critical race theory, deporting people without any due process, arresting judges etc. are about "freedom"?

Also when was the country actually free and when did cease to be free, in their view?

I remember being told we couldn’t be in public spaces unless we gave into authoritarian control and took a shot that didn’t stop infection or transmission of a disease.

You mean that type of “freedom”?

Nice manipulation of the facts.

But let's pretend that was a sign of authoritarian control. How does your once in a century, dealing with a pandemic, caution compare to sending people to human rights violating maximum security prisons in another country?

Why does everyone forget that Covid and the lock down began under Trump? March 2020 - Jan 2021 Trump was POTUS.

It wasn’t Trump or republicans that demanded that you had to get a shot to keep your job, carry the card with you to get into public spaces, attend schools, go to college etc.

The authoritarians said we will allow you have this freedom if you give up that freedom.

Those were all local decisions, except for the mandate in the military—which, come on, if you serve, mandatory vaccines are the least authoritarian policy on your mind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They think freedom means white men are at the top of society instead of freedom meaning everyone gets to try to be at the top of society.

I think MAGA is civic nationalist more so than white supremacist.

No they aren't. Civic nationalism would embrace diversity and inclusivity. MAGA does not.

Civic nationalism doesn't embrase diversity, its the opposite.

It embrances the commonalities a population has rather than emphasizing the differences or ethnocentricism. Those commonalities being shared values, rather than a nation that shares blood.

You are confusing xovic nationalism with State Communism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_nationalism

Thus, a "civic nation" defines itself not by culture but by political institutions and liberal principles, which its citizens pledge to uphold. Membership in the civic nation is open to every person by citizenship, regardless of culture or ethnicity

Those who share these values are considered members of the nation[7] and, in theory, a civic nation or state does not aim to promote one culture over another

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every Trumper/MAGA/Q person says they want to "restore freedom." Why are so many convinced that their authoritarian policies of firing scientists, targeting universities, banning critical race theory, deporting people without any due process, arresting judges etc. are about "freedom"?

Also when was the country actually free and when did cease to be free, in their view?

I remember being told we couldn’t be in public spaces unless we gave into authoritarian control and took a shot that didn’t stop infection or transmission of a disease.

You mean that type of “freedom”?

Nice manipulation of the facts.

But let's pretend that was a sign of authoritarian control. How does your once in a century, dealing with a pandemic, caution compare to sending people to human rights violating maximum security prisons in another country?

Why does everyone forget that Covid and the lock down began under Trump? March 2020 - Jan 2021 Trump was POTUS.

It wasn’t Trump or republicans that demanded that you had to get a shot to keep your job, carry the card with you to get into public spaces, attend schools, go to college etc.

The authoritarians said we will allow you have this freedom if you give up that freedom.

Those were all local decisions, except for the mandate in the military—which, come on, if you serve, mandatory vaccines are the least authoritarian policy on your mind.

You are debating a dishonest moron who doesn't distinguish between "authority" and "authoritarian".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gun rights is the litmus test

Anybody taking gun rights is a suspected authoritarian.

Zero authoritarians are pro gun rights

100 percent of nonauthoritarians are pro gun rights for the population

Due process is the litmus test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every Trumper/MAGA/Q person says they want to "restore freedom." Why are so many convinced that their authoritarian policies of firing scientists, targeting universities, banning critical race theory, deporting people without any due process, arresting judges etc. are about "freedom"?

Also when was the country actually free and when did cease to be free, in their view?

"Freedom" means "whatever I want". Not "anything you want".

It's not any deeper than that.