What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

[Anonymous]

Well, if we take fewer international students then who will take their place?? This is not rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, if we take fewer international students then who will take their place?? This is not rocket science.

Not necessarily. They might have smaller classes, they may merge with other universities? I have no idea…. This is the first time I’ve heard that this is actually the plan.

[Anonymous]

So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

[Anonymous]

In the 2023-2024 academic year, international students at US colleges and universities contributed an estimated $43.8 billion to the US economy. This figure represented an all-time high, and it supported over 378,000 jobs.

Winning yet MAGA stupids?

Stop with the indoctrination garbage colleges have always had preachers on the quads spewing that is indoctrination not college.

We are not a Christian Nationalist country yet.
And god help us if they win this battle.

Higher education is a dam gift. It is not "indoctrination". Indoctrination is Congressmen and women walking around with golden pins of Trump's head made in China instead of their 9/11 American flag pins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We love the distinctively American institution of the liberal arts college, and our kid was accepted to several of the best LACs last month (including Williams and HMC — probably the two best to pursue his interest in physics toward his goal of an eventual PhD). It’s agonizing for his parents, but it’s becoming clearer with each passing day that he should attend none of these but instead go abroad, where he also has options (though not as good, academically). I know it’s part of the plan to force kids like ours out of the country. His younger brother is next; I doubt either will ever return to the US. They’ve got ‘liberal’ sensibilities — so I suppose good riddance to them (as if that were a crime). And they’re happy, even eager to leave at this point. It’s heartbreaking, but they’ve completely given up on the country and see their futures elsewhere. And so the parents too have to adjust. It’s no longer the world it was before January 20th.

You are not American?
I am so sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

We wouldn’t have Google or other us companies and technologies or novel prizes. We need the best and brightest- here and abroad. It’s for the US’ best interest. You want them to go to China instead ??

[Anonymous]

^nobel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

We wouldn’t have Google or other us companies and technologies or novel prizes. We need the best and brightest- here and abroad. It’s for the US’ best interest. You want them to go to China instead ??

How about we make the rule just for undergrad? We can bring in foreigners for grad schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the 2023-2024 academic year, international students at US colleges and universities contributed an estimated $43.8 billion to the US economy. This figure represented an all-time high, and it supported over 378,000 jobs.

Winning yet MAGA stupids?

Stop with the indoctrination garbage colleges have always had preachers on the quads spewing that is indoctrination not college.

We are not a Christian Nationalist country yet.
And god help us if they win this battle.

Higher education is a dam gift. It is not "indoctrination". Indoctrination is Congressmen and women walking around with golden pins of Trump's head made in China instead of their 9/11 American flag pins.

Universities are indoctrinations centers. There is almost zero diversity of opinion allowed on today’s campuses.

And that is 100% the work of the left in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a foreign student advisor in a large East Coast university for many years and am appalled by the open and unapologetic attack on foreign students. I have thought long and hard about this issue and have some ideas on what it's really about. Sorry for the long post, but I hope some of you will take a moment to read it.

At first I thought it was just a part of an overall effort to bring a handful of "elite" institutions to heel in the guise of addressing anti-semitism and DEI. But as I dug further, I learned that:
--it's not just the usual suspects such as Columbia, Harvard, and other Ivy League universities that are being targeted nor are students being targeted just for anti-semitism. In fact, over 80 U.S. colleges and universities have had international students or recent alumni subjected to visa revocations, detentions, or deportations under the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.In our own backyard, foreign students have been asked to leave GMU, UVA, and UMD, just to name a few.
--increasingly, there is 1) ZERO reason given for these actions or 2) the reason given by ICE is "Other" with no explanation given.
--increasingly, the students are not just Muslims, but also from a range of other countries.

To answer the OP's question about "what is the endgame," I would say these are some of the main motivations/objectives:

1) Nationalism/populist messaging to the base—“We’re protecting Americans from foreigners who want to take over our country, take our kids’ spots in universities, take our jobs, etc.”
2) Ideological control – threatening to deport foreign students or limit universities’ ability to enroll foreign students is a way to control universities and the educated class in general (the “elites”) and to limit dissent, a key tactic in authoritarianism (see Orban’s efforts to exert government control over public universities in Hungary, https://apnews.com/article/hungary-business-government-and-politics-europe-education-9b76dce30164e77be1c3a2fe47db8bfa)
3) Voter distraction and political theater. Whip up the base and their anti-foreigner impulses and hope they don’t notice the tanking economy, the Trump administration’s inability to meet its economic promises (lower grocery prices, lower housing costs, etc) and scandals like Signalgate.
4) Furthering the anti-globalization and anti-multiculturalism stance of the government. Attacking foreign students is a part of a larger project to disconnect the US from the rest of the world. This includes withdrawing the US from multinational organizations, imposing punishing tariffs on every country in the world, promoting anti-globalization rhetoric, and rejecting multiculturalism. Foreign students on US campuses are a tangible and potent symbol of multiculturalism and interconnectedness to the rest of the world.

Thank you for writing this all out. I 100% agree

[Anonymous]

International students have significantly contributed to innovation in the U.S., with studies showing they produce a disproportionate number of patents and citations compared to their share of the US-born inventor population. For example, immigrants are 25.2% more likely to have patents, and they contribute 25.2% of patent citations. Additionally, international students are vital for disseminating new ideas across borders, as they are more likely to collaborate with foreign inventors and cite foreign technologies. fields like semiconductor device manufacturing, information technology, and pharmaceutical drugs are attributed to foreign-born students/immigrants.

Here are some Intetnational students that helped transform the US:
Nikola Tesla (Serbian-born):
Developed the alternating current (AC) electrical system in the US, revolutionizing power transmission and distribution.
Alexander Graham Bell (Scottish-born):
Invented the telephone in a workshop in Boston, fundamentally changing communication technology.
Herman Frasch (German-born):
Developed techniques related to modern fracking while working in the US, impacting the oil and gas industry.
David Lindquist (Swedish-born):
Assigned his patents related to the electric elevator to Otis Elevator Company while residing in New York, significantly impacting construction and accessibility.
James Hillier (Canadian-born):
Developed the first commercially viable electron microscope at Radio Corporation of America with colleagues, including Ladislaus Marton (Belgian) and Vladimir Zworykin (Russian), further illustrating the impact of immigrant collaboration on innovation.

[Anonymous]

^ we want this stuff invented in the US and keeping the US leader in technology. By eliminating foreign students, the US suffers. We should be a beacon for the best and the brightest or we lose them to countries like China who benefit instead.

[Anonymous]

A return to colleges that are centers for discourse not indoctrination. Where admission is based on meritocracy, not the color of one’s skin. A place where basic and targeted research is done efficiently and effectively, without supporting social justice warriors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
International students have significantly contributed to innovation in the U.S., with studies showing they produce a disproportionate number of patents and citations compared to their share of the US-born inventor population. For example, immigrants are 25.2% more likely to have patents, and they contribute 25.2% of patent citations. Additionally, international students are vital for disseminating new ideas across borders, as they are more likely to collaborate with foreign inventors and cite foreign technologies. fields like semiconductor device manufacturing, information technology, and pharmaceutical drugs are attributed to foreign-born students/immigrants.

Here are some Intetnational students that helped transform the US:
Nikola Tesla (Serbian-born):
Developed the alternating current (AC) electrical system in the US, revolutionizing power transmission and distribution.
Alexander Graham Bell (Scottish-born):
Invented the telephone in a workshop in Boston, fundamentally changing communication technology.
Herman Frasch (German-born):
Developed techniques related to modern fracking while working in the US, impacting the oil and gas industry.
David Lindquist (Swedish-born):
Assigned his patents related to the electric elevator to Otis Elevator Company while residing in New York, significantly impacting construction and accessibility.
James Hillier (Canadian-born):
Developed the first commercially viable electron microscope at Radio Corporation of America with colleagues, including Ladislaus Marton (Belgian) and Vladimir Zworykin (Russian), further illustrating the impact of immigrant collaboration on innovation.

Here are some more names of foreigners who came here on as students and achieved great things in the US:

-Elon Musk (South Africa)
Co-founded PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, and more.

-Satya Nadella (India)
CEO of Microsoft.

-Sundar Pichai (India)
CEO of Alphabet (Google’s parent company).

-Indra Nooyi (India)
Former CEO and Chairperson of PepsiCo.

-Patrick Collison (Ireland)
Co-founder and CEO of Stripe, a major online payments company.

-Jan Koum (Ukraine)
Co-founder of WhatsApp.

-Emmanuelle Charpentier (France)
Co-developed CRISPR gene editing, Nobel Prize winner.

-Manjul Bhargava (Canada/India)
Became a renowned mathematician and Fields Medalist.

[Anonymous]

Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students.