Pyramid of Lies

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Anonymous wrote:My family growing up was pretty even split of Republicans, Democrats, Independents. I grew up genuinely believing that there are different approaches and philosophies and priorities but ultimately most people have the same objectives and the same level of investment in the nation's future, and probably the same percentage of heroes and zeros on each side.

Fast forward to 2025: I have been listening to Steven Miller and some of the higher IQ people running the show in the Trump administration and am horrified to see how LYING is the key part of the strategy. (Trump has shown his cluelessness over and over -- never more than in the meeting with Bukele when he asked Steven Miller to confirm that the government had won the Supreme Court hearing 9 to 0, like this is a bizarro world soccer game, and ST Miller lied to his clueless face and said yes -- Trump is obviously not in charge.)

Case in Point: Administration thinks a big publicity stunt will terrify immigrants in the US, Americans, and the rest of the world. Goal: create terror, get the unwanted to flee or never come, and rule Americans by fear.

The administration starts out looking for loopholes and disingenous applications of laws, assumes that we are all racists and indifferent and won't care about a bunch of Hispanics, or that a US president makes deals with human rights abusing dictators. It doesn't matter to them that over 90% of this group Venezuelans have no criminal records, that many came to the US legally, and that many are awaiting asylum hearings. The geniuses at the top decide, just focus on tattoos.

When we do notice that the administration has disobeyed the rule of law in a number of ways, they simply start LYING. They pivot on the spot like sociopaths. These are not complex lies or even close to the truth. They are just fabrications.

The less intelligent, who lack all critical thinking (Kristi Noem, Claudia McGlaughlin, Karoline Leavitt, etc), then repeat the lies loudly and confidently.

FOX News et al. present this gang's words as facts and so lies diffuse rapidly through the country.

Suddenly there is a new very loud narrative competing for the public's mind who could simply use Google to discredit or verify.

DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies??? Naive as I am, I have tried using reasoning and facts with posters on DCUM and, when proven wrong, they routinely change the subject, deflect, or simply repeat the lie. The people at the top of the pyramid may be sociopaths, those on the way down powerful fools, and the rest followers. I don't know how to play this game when they totally changed the rules!

for US voters, the second most important issue was Immigration.

And Remember when Biden said his hands were tied and there was nothing he could do about the southern border ??? And VP Harris claimed there was nothing she would change about their policies.

137,000 - march 2024
7,000 - march 2025
95% decrease in apprehensions at the southern border

https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1912159030358798546?s=46

How many other issues were the same ? With Biden ignoring them unable to figure out what to do????

that is why Democrats lost.

Thank you for resonding seriously.

If, as you say, Americans elected Trump to reduce illegal immigration and if the administration were behaving legally, I might dislike it and I might even try to do advocate for different policies, but I would accept the rule of law. I have disliked and disagreed with many past presidents and accepted policies I didn't like. I don't mean I have never protested or complained, sure I have. But it was completely different.

Can you address the fact that the Trump administration is disobeying federal judges and the Supreme Court and disregarding the Constitution? How can you be okay with this?

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Anonymous wrote:My family growing up was pretty even split of Republicans, Democrats, Independents. I grew up genuinely believing that there are different approaches and philosophies and priorities but ultimately most people have the same objectives and the same level of investment in the nation's future, and probably the same percentage of heroes and zeros on each side.

Fast forward to 2025: I have been listening to Steven Miller and some of the higher IQ people running the show in the Trump administration and am horrified to see how LYING is the key part of the strategy. (Trump has shown his cluelessness over and over -- never more than in the meeting with Bukele when he asked Steven Miller to confirm that the government had won the Supreme Court hearing 9 to 0, like this is a bizarro world soccer game, and ST Miller lied to his clueless face and said yes -- Trump is obviously not in charge.)

Case in Point: Administration thinks a big publicity stunt will terrify immigrants in the US, Americans, and the rest of the world. Goal: create terror, get the unwanted to flee or never come, and rule Americans by fear.

The administration starts out looking for loopholes and disingenous applications of laws, assumes that we are all racists and indifferent and won't care about a bunch of Hispanics, or that a US president makes deals with human rights abusing dictators. It doesn't matter to them that over 90% of this group Venezuelans have no criminal records, that many came to the US legally, and that many are awaiting asylum hearings. The geniuses at the top decide, just focus on tattoos.

When we do notice that the administration has disobeyed the rule of law in a number of ways, they simply start LYING. They pivot on the spot like sociopaths. These are not complex lies or even close to the truth. They are just fabrications.

The less intelligent, who lack all critical thinking (Kristi Noem, Claudia McGlaughlin, Karoline Leavitt, etc), then repeat the lies loudly and confidently.

FOX News et al. present this gang's words as facts and so lies diffuse rapidly through the country.

Suddenly there is a new very loud narrative competing for the public's mind who could simply use Google to discredit or verify.

DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies??? Naive as I am, I have tried using reasoning and facts with posters on DCUM and, when proven wrong, they routinely change the subject, deflect, or simply repeat the lie. The people at the top of the pyramid may be sociopaths, those on the way down powerful fools, and the rest followers. I don't know how to play this game when they totally changed the rules!

for US voters, the second most important issue was Immigration.

And Remember when Biden said his hands were tied and there was nothing he could do about the southern border ??? And VP Harris claimed there was nothing she would change about their policies.

137,000 - march 2024
7,000 - march 2025
95% decrease in apprehensions at the southern border

https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1912159030358798546?s=46

How many other issues were the same ? With Biden ignoring them unable to figure out what to do????

that is why Democrats lost.

Thank you for resonding seriously.

If, as you say, Americans elected Trump to reduce illegal immigration and if the administration were behaving legally, I might dislike it and I might even try to do advocate for different policies, but I would accept the rule of law. I have disliked and disagreed with many past presidents and accepted policies I didn't like. I don't mean I have never protested or complained, sure I have. But it was completely different.

Can you address the fact that the Trump administration is disobeying federal judges and the Supreme Court and disregarding the Constitution? How can you be okay with this?

All the GOP has as talking points going forward are questionable policies of one Democrat who is retired and could very well be dead by 2028. The Dems have these everyday actions of Trump to use as talking points for years to come. Big time advantage to Dems for at least the next four years and likely longer.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

calling Democrats the party of labor. that is a good one!

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

calling Democrats the party of labor. that is a good one!

Calling either of our awful two major political parties the "party of labor" in 2025 is a indeed a good joke. We must demand better.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

calling Democrats the party of labor. that is a good one!

To be fair, the democrats do share a few things with the U.K.’s Labour: they are both extremely antisemitic.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

calling Democrats the party of labor. that is a good one!

Yep. Party of elitists.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

calling Democrats the party of labor. that is a good one!

supporting unions, minimum wage increases, OSHA safety requirements, healthcare etc etc etc Meanwhile the GOP is dismantlling anything related to worker protections.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

calling Democrats the party of labor. that is a good one!

To be fair, the democrats do share a few things with the U.K.’s Labour: they are both extremely antisemitic.

The tikitorch guys in charlottesville are all magas...where does that leave the GOP? When was the last time a Jewish governor from the GOP had his house torched?

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

“Biden is powerless change the situation on our southern border. . . “

Really?

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about lies?

calling Democrats the party of labor. that is a good one!

Yep. Party of elitists.

And antisemites.