Pyramid of Lies

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Anonymous wrote:My family growing up was pretty even split of Republicans, Democrats, Independents. I grew up genuinely believing that there are different approaches and philosophies and priorities but ultimately most people have the same objectives and the same level of investment in the nation's future, and probably the same percentage of heroes and zeros on each side.

Fast forward to 2025: I have been listening to Steven Miller and some of the higher IQ people running the show in the Trump administration and am horrified to see how LYING is the key part of the strategy. (Trump has shown his cluelessness over and over -- never more than in the meeting with Bukele when he asked Steven Miller to confirm that the government had won the Supreme Court hearing 9 to 0, like this is a bizarro world soccer game, and ST Miller lied to his clueless face and said yes -- Trump is obviously not in charge.)

Case in Point: Administration thinks a big publicity stunt will terrify immigrants in the US, Americans, and the rest of the world. Goal: create terror, get the unwanted to flee or never come, and rule Americans by fear.

The administration starts out looking for loopholes and disingenous applications of laws, assumes that we are all racists and indifferent and won't care about a bunch of Hispanics, or that a US president makes deals with human rights abusing dictators. It doesn't matter to them that over 90% of this group Venezuelans have no criminal records, that many came to the US legally, and that many are awaiting asylum hearings. The geniuses at the top decide, just focus on tattoos.

When we do notice that the administration has disobeyed the rule of law in a number of ways, they simply start LYING. They pivot on the spot like sociopaths. These are not complex lies or even close to the truth. They are just fabrications.

The less intelligent, who lack all critical thinking (Kristi Noem, Claudia McGlaughlin, Karoline Leavitt, etc), then repeat the lies loudly and confidently.

FOX News et al. present this gang's words as facts and so lies diffuse rapidly through the country.

Suddenly there is a new very loud narrative competing for the public's mind who could simply use Google to discredit or verify.

DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies??? Naive as I am, I have tried using reasoning and facts with posters on DCUM and, when proven wrong, they routinely change the subject, deflect, or simply repeat the lie. The people at the top of the pyramid may be sociopaths, those on the way down powerful fools, and the rest followers. I don't know how to play this game when they totally changed the rules!

The path of least resistance to fixing this problem and/or preventing it from happening again is for there to be competent leadership in an opposition party to the party led by lying idiots. There would never be a Trump-like person in power if there were opposition led by a Reagan, GHWB, Clinton, or Obama.

Competent leadership in the opposition party is not the problem. What is required is Courageous leadership. There are plenty of people in the Dem or even Independent sphere. What is needed is many more courageous people who are willing to fight the fight and call a spade a spade. To quite frankly shame Americans for their cowardice and unwillingness to change and grow. And put it squarely on the table that we are either a nation committed to democracy and moving towards a collective peace OR let’s just say this was a good experiment and now dissolve into our own factions. Because right now we are certainly more divided than united, and that makes us easy pickings for enemies foreign and domestic.

Who wants to bet that Trump will come up with some reason that we need to go to war so he can champion the idea of patriotism and American united. He’ll him and Hegseth are already trying to lay the ground for that.

Of course there are competent and courageous people out there to fill that role. They just haven't stepped up since 2017. It's difficult for a legitimate leader to step up and lead an opposition to Trump when they aren't a chosen leader of the major political party opposing Trump. HRC and Obama backed away from politics after 2017 leaving an absence of leadership in the Dem Party from 2017-2025. Where else can opposition to Trump leadership come from other than the Dem Party?

HRC and Obama didn’t back away from politics. They have been doing what lots of people should be doing which is mentoring and encouraging younger people to step up. Hillary served as a Senator, Sec of State, and ran for President, all after being a First Lady fighting for healthcare. Obama was a Senator, and 2-term President. What the heck more do you want from these individuals??

Stop trying to bring them back or get them to anoint someone else and fine other leaders who are willing to step up. AND stop trying to make perfection the enemy of good. There are several governors, several members of Congress, and likely several activist who would are great leaders who should be elevated, supported, and helped.

What are you talking about? All I said was HRC and Obama stepped back from leadership positions in the Dem Party in 2017 for which by all accounts they DID. They had every right to step back into more private lives.

Dems haven't had a legitimate leader since Obama left office- another FACT. It is what it is.

There are a few dozen potential leaders who will have the opportunity to step into that role during the 2027/2028 election cycle. I look for to that time period and I'll be happy to support any legitimate leader who steps up.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election. Everything about the 2024 election was unprecedented due to there being an unfit incumbent who desperately wanted to cling to power until seeing his campaign collapse three months prior to Election Day.

Never before in our history has an election been determined three months prior to Election Day with the incumbent party having zero chance of winning. No past or future election will be comparable to 2024.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason that this works is that the majority of people don’t read or fact check information.

Think of the dumbest people you know. Half of Americans are dumber.

Even smart people don't read past the headlines anymore. It doesn't matter what policy preferences people have, lying has become endemic.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2 judges and the arresting officers from PG County stated he was MS 13.

I tried calling HR at MS 13 to confirm, but they wouldnt answer

Not sure if there were two judges, I am aware of only one.
The officer who attested to his gang affiliation wrote this (source: DOJ has released the interview report).

Officers then interviewed Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA. During the interview officers
Thursday, March 28, 2019 Page 2 of 3
Admitted: Exh. B4
- Iobserved he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rol ls of money covering the eyes, ears
and mouth ofthe presidents on the separate denominations. Officers know such clothing to be
indicative of the Hispanic gang cul!ure. The meaning of the clothing is to represent "ver, oir y caliar"
or "see no evil, hear no evil and say no evil". Wearing the Chicago Bulls hat represents thay they are a
member in good standing with the MS-13 . Officers C-Ontacted a past proven and reliable source of
infonnation, who advised Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA is an active member ofMS-13 with
the Westerns clique. The confidential source further advised that he is the rank of "Chequeo" with the
moniker of "Chele",

That report is dated March 28. On April 3 the officer Corporal Ivan Mendez was suspended for leaking confidential information to a sex worker (whom he was paying for sexual acts). He was later indicted in Prince Georges County (2020).
This was in a bond hearing. And yet he was ALSO protected (supposedly) from being returned to El Salvador because of the evidence supporting his having to come to the US precisely because MS-13 was targeting him and his family.

If DOJ had additional evidence of gang involvement they would have released it.

A quick search for hoodies depicting rolls of money turns up a gazillion examples of clothing you can guy online.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

He couldn't be a 3 year lame duck with everything our country faced. We all knew he wasn't going to run for re-election and its not like you can side-step the sitting vice President, so the hand off worked pretty much as anyone with a brain figured it would. Harris ran a great and positive campaign with concrete plans of action to continue to improve the economy and the status of everyday Americans. It is too bad our country still isn't ready for a female president.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2 judges and the arresting officers from PG County stated he was MS 13.

I tried calling HR at MS 13 to confirm, but they wouldnt answer

Not sure if there were two judges, I am aware of only one.
The officer who attested to his gang affiliation wrote this (source: DOJ has released the interview report).

Officers then interviewed Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA. During the interview officers
Thursday, March 28, 2019 Page 2 of 3
Admitted: Exh. B4
- Iobserved he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rol ls of money covering the eyes, ears
and mouth ofthe presidents on the separate denominations. Officers know such clothing to be
indicative of the Hispanic gang cul!ure. The meaning of the clothing is to represent "ver, oir y caliar"
or "see no evil, hear no evil and say no evil". Wearing the Chicago Bulls hat represents thay they are a
member in good standing with the MS-13 . Officers C-Ontacted a past proven and reliable source of
infonnation, who advised Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA is an active member ofMS-13 with
the Westerns clique. The confidential source further advised that he is the rank of "Chequeo" with the
moniker of "Chele",

That report is dated March 28. On April 3 the officer Corporal Ivan Mendez was suspended for leaking confidential information to a sex worker (whom he was paying for sexual acts). He was later indicted in Prince Georges County (2020).
This was in a bond hearing. And yet he was ALSO protected (supposedly) from being returned to El Salvador because of the evidence supporting his having to come to the US precisely because MS-13 was targeting him and his family.

If DOJ had additional evidence of gang involvement they would have released it.

A quick search for hoodies depicting rolls of money turns up a gazillion examples of clothing you can guy online.

if the guy had actually been an MS-13 member, given this was 2019 when Trump was president, he would have been deported.

[Anonymous]

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My family growing up was pretty even split of Republicans, Democrats, Independents. I grew up genuinely believing that there are different approaches and philosophies and priorities but ultimately most people have the same objectives and the same level of investment in the nation's future, and probably the same percentage of heroes and zeros on each side.

Fast forward to 2025: I have been listening to Steven Miller and some of the higher IQ people running the show in the Trump administration and am horrified to see how LYING is the key part of the strategy. (Trump has shown his cluelessness over and over -- never more than in the meeting with Bukele when he asked Steven Miller to confirm that the government had won the Supreme Court hearing 9 to 0, like this is a bizarro world soccer game, and ST Miller lied to his clueless face and said yes -- Trump is obviously not in charge.)

Case in Point: Administration thinks a big publicity stunt will terrify immigrants in the US, Americans, and the rest of the world. Goal: create terror, get the unwanted to flee or never come, and rule Americans by fear.

The administration starts out looking for loopholes and disingenous applications of laws, assumes that we are all racists and indifferent and won't care about a bunch of Hispanics, or that a US president makes deals with human rights abusing dictators. It doesn't matter to them that over 90% of this group Venezuelans have no criminal records, that many came to the US legally, and that many are awaiting asylum hearings. The geniuses at the top decide, just focus on tattoos.

When we do notice that the administration has disobeyed the rule of law in a number of ways, they simply start LYING. They pivot on the spot like sociopaths. These are not complex lies or even close to the truth. They are just fabrications.

The less intelligent, who lack all critical thinking (Kristi Noem, Claudia McGlaughlin, Karoline Leavitt, etc), then repeat the lies loudly and confidently.

FOX News et al. present this gang's words as facts and so lies diffuse rapidly through the country.

Suddenly there is a new very loud narrative competing for the public's mind who could simply use Google to discredit or verify.

DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies??? Naive as I am, I have tried using reasoning and facts with posters on DCUM and, when proven wrong, they routinely change the subject, deflect, or simply repeat the lie. The people at the top of the pyramid may be sociopaths, those on the way down powerful fools, and the rest followers. I don't know how to play this game when they totally changed the rules!

for US voters, the second most important issue was Immigration.

And Remember when Biden said his hands were tied and there was nothing he could do about the southern border ??? And VP Harris claimed there was nothing she would change about their policies.

137,000 - march 2024
7,000 - march 2025
95% decrease in apprehensions at the southern border

https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1912159030358798546?s=46

How many other issues were the same ? With Biden ignoring them unable to figure out what to do????

that is why Democrats lost.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

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Anonymous wrote:The reason that this works is that the majority of people don’t read or fact check information.

And they only trust Fox News, which won't report the truth. If Fox can't spin the story to make Trump look good or to blame it on Biden, they simply don't report it.

What I don't understand is why so many people are hesitant to call out public officials spewing lies during press conferences. Some guy said, "In 2017 Obama did XYZ" and the anchor made a face because she knew Obama wasn't president in 2017 and the person who had actually done that thing was Trump, but she never corrected him.

Another time Leavitt said the only person to blame for the Covid-19 shutdowns was Biden. No one in the press corps corrected her that the shutdown happened under Trump. Trump gave the orders early 2020 to shut everything down. Biden didn't take office until 2021 (when he started correcting Trump's mess).

It would help a lot if those people got corrected right then and there in the moment. But no, we just get more sound bites for the MAGAs to use online of some talking head incorrectly saying, "Obama did this in 2017 to screw the US!" that get shared thousands of times and taken as fact by the smooth-brained.

Yes, the media needs to start calling out the lies as lies. No falsehoods or misrepresenations. But a lie.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason that this works is that the majority of people don’t read or fact check information.

And they only trust Fox News, which won't report the truth. If Fox can't spin the story to make Trump look good or to blame it on Biden, they simply don't report it.

What I don't understand is why so many people are hesitant to call out public officials spewing lies during press conferences. Some guy said, "In 2017 Obama did XYZ" and the anchor made a face because she knew Obama wasn't president in 2017 and the person who had actually done that thing was Trump, but she never corrected him.

Another time Leavitt said the only person to blame for the Covid-19 shutdowns was Biden. No one in the press corps corrected her that the shutdown happened under Trump. Trump gave the orders early 2020 to shut everything down. Biden didn't take office until 2021 (when he started correcting Trump's mess).

It would help a lot if those people got corrected right then and there in the moment. But no, we just get more sound bites for the MAGAs to use online of some talking head incorrectly saying, "Obama did this in 2017 to screw the US!" that get shared thousands of times and taken as fact by the smooth-brained.

Yes, the media needs to start calling out the lies as lies. No falsehoods or misrepresenations. But a lie.

If you haven't noticed, the media is a shell of its former self and complicit.

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DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies???

Good question.

I think it helps to try to remain civil. It’s much easier for a person to tune out when they are offended. Easier said than done when they themselves are being offensive, I know. But I do think a person can be confident that the high road reply is more likely to leave a constructive impression on others, both offenders or bystanders, than the low.

I think it also helps to admit when things could’ve been done better by the Dems. Perhaps Harris’s worst campaign moment was not being able to offer anything she would’ve done differently. In general, people are less defensive about and more trusting of an opposing view when there’s a willingness to acknowledge mistakes.

Not PP, but taking the high road is what landed us with Trump.

Many things landed us with Trump, but the high road wasn’t one of them. There was a lot of Dem overconfidence on almost everything, and stubbornness is more low than high. I say this as someone who voted against Trump three times.

Dem overconfidence perhaps played a role in 2016. Any Dem who was confident the 2024 election would go in their favor with Joe Biden and his 40% approval rating as the sitting POTUS at the time is a complete idiot who doesn't understand how politics work.

The party was clearly too confident of his chances of re-election when it chose to forgo a real primary.

There typically aren't "real" primaries for the incumbent party when the incumbent is seeking re-election.

The point is he shouldn’t have sought re-election. He was a big part of the party, and the rest of the party wasn’t powerless. Hence, the party as a whole was overconfident of his chances, among many other things.

The only person I know who had any confidence in Biden's 2024 chances was Biden. We were powerless at the mercy of an unpopular incumbent seeking a second term for which he had every right to do and we had no way of stopping him. We should have considered the likelihood of that scenario playing out before nominating him in 2020.

no one else would have beaten trump in 2020...the polling validates the statement.

You've just won the idiot of the day award. Howard the Duck, Roger Rabbit, Beavis, Butthead... all could have beaten Trump in 2020. No incumbent with a 40% job approval has any remote chance of winning a US election. You need to re-learn your facts and history and stop being duped by Fox News or whoever convinced of that ridiculous thought. Trump as beatable or even more beatable in 2020 than Biden was in 2024 or Carter was in 1980. Facts.

the party of labor abandoned US workers.

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refused to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helped US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposed to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

Biden did this, Biden did that ratatatat... guess what? Biden is half dead and no longer an influence on the Dem Party. Obama and Clinton were legitimate presidents who exemplified Dem common sense policy and they were popular two term presidents.

We have removed the Biden stain from the Dem Party. How many decades will it take for the GOP to remove the stain from Trump and MAGA?