Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

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Anonymous wrote:How does the USA have the authority to remove a citizen from El Salvador and dump him in another country? Wouldn’t the government of El Salvador have an issue with that?

Imagine El Salvador issuing an order to take this guys wife from the US and send her to Mexico. How is this different?

Seems like something the Trump administration should have taken into account before they knowingly deported him to a location they had been barred from sending him. El Salvador is accepting U.S. tax dollars for his detention I assume they will accept more for his release.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

Once and forever, it is ANYWAY not anyways! He is not here illegally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does the USA have the authority to remove a citizen from El Salvador and dump him in another country? Wouldn’t the government of El Salvador have an issue with that?

Imagine El Salvador issuing an order to take this guys wife from the US and send her to Mexico. How is this different?

Seems like something the Trump administration should have taken into account before they knowingly deported him to a location they had been barred from sending him. El Salvador is accepting U.S. tax dollars for his detention I assume they will accept more for his release.

Ok, but it’s already done. Do we have the right to grab one of their people? Would you be ok if El Salvador came and grabbed his Wife?

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

Once and forever, it is ANYWAY not anyways! He is not here illegally.

Every article says he is, he even admits it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does the USA have the authority to remove a citizen from El Salvador and dump him in another country? Wouldn’t the government of El Salvador have an issue with that?

Imagine El Salvador issuing an order to take this guys wife from the US and send her to Mexico. How is this different?

Seems like something the Trump administration should have taken into account before they knowingly deported him to a location they had been barred from sending him. El Salvador is accepting U.S. tax dollars for his detention I assume they will accept more for his release.

Trump admin could have done this a long time ago and saved a lot of taxpayer dollars. But no, they’re hell bent on doing the most expensive options possible-including private military jets rather than commercial flights to deport them plus so many hours in wasted lawyer time to argue a case where they were clearly in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:How does the USA have the authority to remove a citizen from El Salvador and dump him in another country? Wouldn’t the government of El Salvador have an issue with that?

Imagine El Salvador issuing an order to take this guys wife from the US and send her to Mexico. How is this different?

Seems like something the Trump administration should have taken into account before they knowingly deported him to a location they had been barred from sending him. El Salvador is accepting U.S. tax dollars for his detention I assume they will accept more for his release.

Trump admin could have done this a long time ago and saved a lot of taxpayer dollars. But no, they’re hell bent on doing the most expensive options possible-including private military jets rather than commercial flights to deport them plus so many hours in wasted lawyer time to argue a case where they were clearly in the wrong.

Yeah and they lost 9-0. Such an obvious case.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

Because he is a citizen of El Salvador and in a jail in El Salvador. It’s up to their government to handle their own citizen.

And it’s up to our government to follow the law, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador. Now they will need to correct that mistake. Why does that trigger you so badly? Don’t you want the government and law enforcement to admit mistakes and correct them? If you get pulled over and can prove you’re not drunk, do you want to be issued a DUI and thrown in jail anyway?

Up to the president how to handle this once the man was improperly sent to El Salvador. Voters can respond accordingly. Not up to a district court to make demands of international relations for our commander in chief.

This ruling isn’t requiring anything of Trump other than to “facilitate” (definition unclear) his release out of jail IN that country but at the end of the day, that’s for the president of THAT country to handle and it’s presumptuous of America to assume otherwise.

Voters have responded accordingly for generations and have elected officials who agree to this longstanding Constitutional interpretation - that a ruling from a Federal judge confirmed by the US Senate must be followed unless it's stayed or overturned by a higher court.

Trump is the outlier here, bucking hundreds of years of judicial precedent. If he wants to change judicial review he can seek to do so via Constitutional amendment or legislation.

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Trump is going to look pretty weak when he "can't" get this guy back from El Salvador.

[Anonymous]

Supreme Court said handle his case as you would if you hadn't mistakenly deported him to El Salvador. So they will then get him out of prison and send him to Panama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Supreme Court said handle his case as you would if you hadn't mistakenly deported him to El Salvador. So they will then get him out of prison and send him to Panama.

I believe they will because they are pathetic and vindictive. Still, Panama will be better than CECOT.

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Anonymous wrote:H it w much would you like to get that Trump and his hollgans at DOJ never return him .

You drunk comrade? I think you’re talking about hooligans but beyond that does nyet compute…

Decoder NP here. How much would you like to bet that Trump and his hooligans at DOJ never return him?

C’mon pp! You’ve got to sharpen your decoder skills with Trump in office.

Covfefe!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is going to look pretty weak when he "can't" get this guy back from El Salvador.

You’re ok with us grabbing someone from their own country?

[Anonymous]

Oh well I guess trump will just have to do back to destroying our economy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is going to look pretty weak when he "can't" get this guy back from El Salvador.

You’re ok with us grabbing someone from their own country?

No one's biting, ok? Try something less silly.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

Yes she did and she denied his release. That deportation order stands. The only thing the later court did was restrict him from going to El Salvador.

“An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s request for release, finding that “the evidence shows he is a verified member of MS-13.” Although the judge acknowledged that she was “reluctant to give evidentiary weight” to Abrego Garcia’s “clothing as an indication of gang affiliation,” she concluded that it was enough that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s “gang membership, gang rank, and gang name.” The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed that ruling.””

Nowhere in what you’ve quoted did a judge rule he’s in MS-13. She assesses there is evidence showing that he is, sufficient to deny bond.

For the hundredth time, she didn’t need to prove gang membership to proceed with his deportation. It’s not something that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to an immigration court. But yes, she DID determine that the evidence was that he was in MS 13 and the appeals board backed it too. The order for his removal stood.

Ok, so she determined there was evidence. There was: a Chicago Bulls hoodie and the word of a confidential informant who claimed he was an MS13 member in NY, where he has never lived. She didn't determine he was in MS13 and he wasn't and isn't.

Yes she did. She believed the confidential informant who provided his gang name for goodness sake. Sorry you can’t handle this reality even after the scotus blog link was provided to you.

From NY Times
Judge Xinis, who was appointed by President Barack Obama, said those claims were being based on “a singular unsubstantiated allegation.”

“The ‘evidence’ against Abrego Garcia consisted of nothing more than his Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie,” she wrote, “and a vague, uncorroborated allegation from a confidential informant claiming he belonged to MS-13’s ‘Western’ clique in New York — a place he has never lived.”