Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

Because he is a citizen of El Salvador and in a jail in El Salvador. It’s up to their government to handle their own citizen.

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Anonymous wrote:H it w much would you like to get that Trump and his hollgans at DOJ never return him .

You drunk comrade? I think you’re talking about hooligans but beyond that does nyet compute…

Decoder NP here. How much would you like to bet that Trump and his hooligans at DOJ never return him?

C’mon pp! You’ve got to sharpen your decoder skills with Trump in office.

Covefe!

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

Yes she did and she denied his release. That deportation order stands. The only thing the later court did was restrict him from going to El Salvador.

“An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s request for release, finding that “the evidence shows he is a verified member of MS-13.” Although the judge acknowledged that she was “reluctant to give evidentiary weight” to Abrego Garcia’s “clothing as an indication of gang affiliation,” she concluded that it was enough that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s “gang membership, gang rank, and gang name.” The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed that ruling.””

Nowhere in what you’ve quoted did a judge rule he’s in MS-13. She assesses there is evidence showing that he is, sufficient to deny bond.

For the hundredth time, she didn’t need to prove gang membership to proceed with his deportation. It’s not something that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to an immigration court. But yes, she DID determine that the evidence was that he was in MS 13 and the appeals board backed it too. The order for his removal stood.

I’m agreeing with you, and saying a judge “determined” or “ruled” that he was in MS-13 is a knowing distortion of the very point you made.

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Anonymous wrote:The order does not actually bring him “back”.

Since he was determined by a court years ago to be affiliated with MS13, the order only states he must be removed from the prison he is in now. Once he is returned to the US, he can immediately be deported to any other country other than El Salvador.

The court did not determine that and you know it.

You also know that he isn't in MS13. But you are probably right that they will do just that because Trump is as vindictive as he is narcissistic.

This court did not.

Bur a previous court determined years ago that he was in fact affiliated with MS 13.

He was granted protected status as he feared for his life if returned to El Salvador. This was not meant to be a permanent visa to stay.

Quote please. What I have read is that "he did not prove that he was not a danger to society." Nothing about MS-13. And in reality, not necessarily anything either

Vary your news sources. You’re being lied to.

That means the person is making stuff up and doesn’t want to admit it.

[Anonymous]

Question: If a judge in 2019 denies his request for release (meaning he is detained?) and then later that year he is granted withholding of removal... who did release him? What was that process?

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Anonymous wrote:H it w much would you like to get that Trump and his hollgans at DOJ never return him .

¿Qué? En inglés, por favor.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

Because he is a citizen of El Salvador and in a jail in El Salvador. It’s up to their government to handle their own citizen.

And it’s up to our government to follow the law, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador. Now they will need to correct that mistake. Why does that trigger you so badly? Don’t you want the government and law enforcement to admit mistakes and correct them? If you get pulled over and can prove you’re not drunk, do you want to be issued a DUI and thrown in jail anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

Yes she did and she denied his release. That deportation order stands. The only thing the later court did was restrict him from going to El Salvador.

“An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s request for release, finding that “the evidence shows he is a verified member of MS-13.” Although the judge acknowledged that she was “reluctant to give evidentiary weight” to Abrego Garcia’s “clothing as an indication of gang affiliation,” she concluded that it was enough that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s “gang membership, gang rank, and gang name.” The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed that ruling.””

Nowhere in what you’ve quoted did a judge rule he’s in MS-13. She assesses there is evidence showing that he is, sufficient to deny bond.

For the hundredth time, she didn’t need to prove gang membership to proceed with his deportation. It’s not something that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to an immigration court. But yes, she DID determine that the evidence was that he was in MS 13 and the appeals board backed it too. The order for his removal stood.

Ok, so she determined there was evidence. There was: a Chicago Bulls hoodie and the word of a confidential informant who claimed he was an MS13 member in NY, where he has never lived. She didn't determine he was in MS13 and he wasn't and isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

Because he is a citizen of El Salvador and in a jail in El Salvador. It’s up to their government to handle their own citizen.

And it’s up to our government to follow the law, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador. Now they will need to correct that mistake. Why does that trigger you so badly? Don’t you want the government and law enforcement to admit mistakes and correct them? If you get pulled over and can prove you’re not drunk, do you want to be issued a DUI and thrown in jail anyway?

Up to the president how to handle this once the man was improperly sent to El Salvador. Voters can respond accordingly. Not up to a district court to make demands of international relations for our commander in chief.

This ruling isn’t requiring anything of Trump other than to “facilitate” (definition unclear) his release out of jail IN that country but at the end of the day, that’s for the president of THAT country to handle and it’s presumptuous of America to assume otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

Yes she did and she denied his release. That deportation order stands. The only thing the later court did was restrict him from going to El Salvador.

“An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s request for release, finding that “the evidence shows he is a verified member of MS-13.” Although the judge acknowledged that she was “reluctant to give evidentiary weight” to Abrego Garcia’s “clothing as an indication of gang affiliation,” she concluded that it was enough that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s “gang membership, gang rank, and gang name.” The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed that ruling.””

Nowhere in what you’ve quoted did a judge rule he’s in MS-13. She assesses there is evidence showing that he is, sufficient to deny bond.

For the hundredth time, she didn’t need to prove gang membership to proceed with his deportation. It’s not something that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to an immigration court. But yes, she DID determine that the evidence was that he was in MS 13 and the appeals board backed it too. The order for his removal stood.

Ok, so she determined there was evidence. There was: a Chicago Bulls hoodie and the word of a confidential informant who claimed he was an MS13 member in NY, where he has never lived. She didn't determine he was in MS13 and he wasn't and isn't.

Yes she did. She believed the confidential informant who provided his gang name for goodness sake. Sorry you can’t handle this reality even after the scotus blog link was provided to you.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

Because he is a citizen of El Salvador and in a jail in El Salvador. It’s up to their government to handle their own citizen.

And it’s up to our government to follow the law, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador. Now they will need to correct that mistake.

You are misreading the order. No correction (aka specific end result) is required, just “facilitation” or effort.

This guy isn’t going to be living in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

This president is psychologically incapable of admitting any wrongdoing, therefore no one who works for him is allowed to either.

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How does the USA have the authority to remove a citizen from El Salvador and dump him in another country? Wouldn’t the government of El Salvador have an issue with that?

Imagine El Salvador issuing an order to take this guys wife from the US and send her to Mexico. How is this different?

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

Because he is a citizen of El Salvador and in a jail in El Salvador. It’s up to their government to handle their own citizen.

And it’s up to our government to follow the law, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador. Now they will need to correct that mistake.

You are misreading the order. No correction (aka specific end result) is required, just “facilitation” or effort.

This guy isn’t going to be living in the US.

Nowhere did I say he should. I said our government needs to follow the law. They can deport him to a country they haven’t been legally prohibited from deporting him. There are literally hundreds of options.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

Because he is a citizen of El Salvador and in a jail in El Salvador. It’s up to their government to handle their own citizen.

And it’s up to our government to follow the law, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador. Now they will need to correct that mistake. Why does that trigger you so badly? Don’t you want the government and law enforcement to admit mistakes and correct them? If you get pulled over and can prove you’re not drunk, do you want to be issued a DUI and thrown in jail anyway?

Up to the president how to handle this once the man was improperly sent to El Salvador. Voters can respond accordingly. Not up to a district court to make demands of international relations for our commander in chief.

This ruling isn’t requiring anything of Trump other than to “facilitate” (definition unclear) his release out of jail IN that country but at the end of the day, that’s for the president of THAT country to handle and it’s presumptuous of America to assume otherwise.

DHS has long been able to facilitate or effectuate the correction of improper removals and deportations. If they tell us they can’t do it they’re full of it.