DEI order and mcps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of the magnets completely and stop pulling the smart kids out of their local schools, especially for elem age.

+1
They should meet needs at local schools through a class there. If there are not enough kids to make a gifted class, then offer a cosa to a school that can meet their needs.

I agree with this 100%. Taking the smartest kids out of their local schools and concentrating them in just a few places has really hurt a lot of neighborhood schools. Instead of moving the kids, let’s bring the resources to them. Supporting gifted students where they already are not only helps them succeed, but it also makes the whole school stronger—more challenging classes, better teacher development, and a more well-rounded environment for everyone. They should do this from elementary school through high school.

Theoretically, could this dissolve the DCC? (as a high school DCC teacher, I think a lot of benefits would come from going back to neighborhood schools)

I definitely see value in offering a few unique specialty programs at some high schools like they do today. For example, one or two high schools might focus on medical, another on engineering, and another on something entirely different. That way, students can explore their interests and follow their goals. But the test-in magnet programs? Those should be phased out—they create unnecessary barriers and inequities.

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of advantages to how the DCC works. The DCC is able to offer a bounty of HS programs that don't exist anywhere else in MCPS because of school choice and IME it really helps prepare kids for life after graduation in the field of their choosing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of the magnets completely and stop pulling the smart kids out of their local schools, especially for elem age.

+1
They should meet needs at local schools through a class there. If there are not enough kids to make a gifted class, then offer a cosa to a school that can meet their needs.

I agree with this 100%. Taking the smartest kids out of their local schools and concentrating them in just a few places has really hurt a lot of neighborhood schools. Instead of moving the kids, let’s bring the resources to them. Supporting gifted students where they already are not only helps them succeed, but it also makes the whole school stronger—more challenging classes, better teacher development, and a more well-rounded environment for everyone. They should do this from elementary school through high school.

Theoretically, could this dissolve the DCC? (as a high school DCC teacher, I think a lot of benefits would come from going back to neighborhood schools)

I definitely see value in offering a few unique specialty programs at some high schools like they do today. For example, one or two high schools might focus on medical, another on engineering, and another on something entirely different. That way, students can explore their interests and follow their goals. But the test-in magnet programs? Those should be phased out—they create unnecessary barriers and inequities.

What do you mean? What barriers and in what way are they creating inequities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of the magnets completely and stop pulling the smart kids out of their local schools, especially for elem age.

+1
They should meet needs at local schools through a class there. If there are not enough kids to make a gifted class, then offer a cosa to a school that can meet their needs.

I agree with this 100%. Taking the smartest kids out of their local schools and concentrating them in just a few places has really hurt a lot of neighborhood schools. Instead of moving the kids, let’s bring the resources to them. Supporting gifted students where they already are not only helps them succeed, but it also makes the whole school stronger—more challenging classes, better teacher development, and a more well-rounded environment for everyone. They should do this from elementary school through high school.

Theoretically, could this dissolve the DCC? (as a high school DCC teacher, I think a lot of benefits would come from going back to neighborhood schools)

I definitely see value in offering a few unique specialty programs at some high schools like they do today. For example, one or two high schools might focus on medical, another on engineering, and another on something entirely different. That way, students can explore their interests and follow their goals. But the test-in magnet programs? Those should be phased out—they create unnecessary barriers and inequities.

What do you mean? What barriers and in what way are they creating inequities?

It creates an uneven system where some schools get more resources, advanced classes, and peer motivation, while others (especially the non-Ws and high FARMs schools) are left with fewer opportunities. It also tends to separate students by achievement level—and often by race and income—which can make schools less diverse and inclusive. When strong students and involved families leave, for some schools, it really weakens the sense of community and support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of the magnets completely and stop pulling the smart kids out of their local schools, especially for elem age.

+1
They should meet needs at local schools through a class there. If there are not enough kids to make a gifted class, then offer a cosa to a school that can meet their needs.

I agree with this 100%. Taking the smartest kids out of their local schools and concentrating them in just a few places has really hurt a lot of neighborhood schools. Instead of moving the kids, let’s bring the resources to them. Supporting gifted students where they already are not only helps them succeed, but it also makes the whole school stronger—more challenging classes, better teacher development, and a more well-rounded environment for everyone. They should do this from elementary school through high school.

Theoretically, could this dissolve the DCC? (as a high school DCC teacher, I think a lot of benefits would come from going back to neighborhood schools)

I definitely see value in offering a few unique specialty programs at some high schools like they do today. For example, one or two high schools might focus on medical, another on engineering, and another on something entirely different. That way, students can explore their interests and follow their goals. But the test-in magnet programs? Those should be phased out—they create unnecessary barriers and inequities.

What do you mean? What barriers and in what way are they creating inequities?

It creates an uneven system where some schools get more resources, advanced classes, and peer motivation, while others (especially the non-Ws and high FARMs schools) are left with fewer opportunities. It also tends to separate students by achievement level—and often by race and income—which can make schools less diverse and inclusive. When strong students and involved families leave, for some schools, it really weakens the sense of community and support.

This, I wish we realized our school didn't offer advanced classes. I would have chosen another school. My kid cannot get the classes they need in jr. and senior years as they maxed out in certain subjects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

No it isn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

No it isn’t.

It is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of the magnets completely and stop pulling the smart kids out of their local schools, especially for elem age.

+1
They should meet needs at local schools through a class there. If there are not enough kids to make a gifted class, then offer a cosa to a school that can meet their needs.

I agree with this 100%. Taking the smartest kids out of their local schools and concentrating them in just a few places has really hurt a lot of neighborhood schools. Instead of moving the kids, let’s bring the resources to them. Supporting gifted students where they already are not only helps them succeed, but it also makes the whole school stronger—more challenging classes, better teacher development, and a more well-rounded environment for everyone. They should do this from elementary school through high school.

Theoretically, could this dissolve the DCC? (as a high school DCC teacher, I think a lot of benefits would come from going back to neighborhood schools)

I definitely see value in offering a few unique specialty programs at some high schools like they do today. For example, one or two high schools might focus on medical, another on engineering, and another on something entirely different. That way, students can explore their interests and follow their goals. But the test-in magnet programs? Those should be phased out—they create unnecessary barriers and inequities.

What do you mean? What barriers and in what way are they creating inequities?

It creates an uneven system where some schools get more resources, advanced classes, and peer motivation, while others (especially the non-Ws and high FARMs schools) are left with fewer opportunities. It also tends to separate students by achievement level—and often by race and income—which can make schools less diverse and inclusive. When strong students and involved families leave, for some schools, it really weakens the sense of community and support.

This, I wish we realized our school didn't offer advanced classes. I would have chosen another school. My kid cannot get the classes they need in jr. and senior years as they maxed out in certain subjects.

High achievers don't wish. They choose where they live after doing extensive research into the school their children will attend. This is a great example of why all the efforts and money spent trying to bridge the achievement gap fail.
Achievement is something you learn and is fostered through parenting. Period.
The schools can't teach it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.