DEI order and mcps

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

I want the bolded, certainly. IQ and cognitive test scores form a bell curve, there's a lot of variability in the lower and upper 1%. They really should give those seats to the top scorers, because these kids are often miserable in regular classes. The test cannot be "practiced" like knowledge test such as the SAT, it's a cognitive function test, which is very different.

That tests for one tiny aspect of academic potential and focuses on people who are obsessed with puzzles not meaningful achievements.

Then MCPS shouldn’t put this “tiny aspect” as requirement to make it to the pool. Don’t look down upon kids who are “obsessed with puzzles.” They should be seen just like kids who are athletic and good at sports. We are all different, kids are even more different. Let them shine in the area they are good at.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

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It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

This is the kind of comment that makes me think you are a troll posting from outside of MCPS (or even Maryland). Elementary magnet programs are cohorted by geography. That means the kids most likely to be dealing with trauma, generational poverty, parents who don't speak English, etc. are all in a lottery together, and that lottery is entirely separate from the children of the MC/UMC folks who make up most of this board.

I live in MCPS area and my kid is the 99 percentile kid and was not selected by the program through lottery. Sorry you are not in my situation so I don’t expect you to understand.

You are missing the point. Assuming you are a typical DCUM parent, your kid didn't lose that lottery spot to a kid in the 85th percentile. They lost to a kid in the 96th percentile, because the elementary magnets are organized geographically, and MCPS has significant economic segregation.

I'm really sorry to tell you that your child could have "lost" to a kid with a 96th percentile even before the lottery, because the magnet admissions process has never been based on test scores alone.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

This is the kind of comment that makes me think you are a troll posting from outside of MCPS (or even Maryland). Elementary magnet programs are cohorted by geography. That means the kids most likely to be dealing with trauma, generational poverty, parents who don't speak English, etc. are all in a lottery together, and that lottery is entirely separate from the children of the MC/UMC folks who make up most of this board.

I live in MCPS area and my kid is the 99 percentile kid and was not selected by the program through lottery. Sorry you are not in my situation so I don’t expect you to understand.

You are missing the point. Assuming you are a typical DCUM parent, your kid didn't lose that lottery spot to a kid in the 85th percentile. They lost to a kid in the 96th percentile, because the elementary magnets are organized geographically, and MCPS has significant economic segregation.

I'm really sorry to tell you that your child could have "lost" to a kid with a 96th percentile even before the lottery, because the magnet admissions process has never been based on test scores alone.

I don’t think you understand. What I’m talking about is 99 percentile kid lost to the same school classmate who is 85 percentile. Does that make sense to you? The same class does not have significant economic segregation.

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There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

Totally!

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

Totally!

I agree this makes it harder for teachers. The whole idea was that the 95th percentile kid should be with other 95th percentile kids. The 85th percentile kid presumably has peers in their current class.
I think there's an easy way to model this like the deviation from the mean and to tell how badly the lottery has messed this up and how the lottery has just created more classes of kids with disparate abilities making things worse for more kids and more teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

I agree. They should get rid of them and just offer an advanced class in each home school. It's just so watered down now.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

I agree. They should get rid of them and just offer an advanced class in each home school. It's just so watered down now.

Does anyone know which department of MCPS should we contact for this matter?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

I agree. They should get rid of them and just offer an advanced class in each home school. It's just so watered down now.

MCPS has attempted to provide advanced courses at every school AND maintain the magnets - currently both are theoretically happening. This was a part of the change with the lottery. All students who qualified for the lottery were supposed to be in at least some advanced classes. Agree that it doesn't seem all are implementing it well, but that is the current design.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

This is the kind of comment that makes me think you are a troll posting from outside of MCPS (or even Maryland). Elementary magnet programs are cohorted by geography. That means the kids most likely to be dealing with trauma, generational poverty, parents who don't speak English, etc. are all in a lottery together, and that lottery is entirely separate from the children of the MC/UMC folks who make up most of this board.

I live in MCPS area and my kid is the 99 percentile kid and was not selected by the program through lottery. Sorry you are not in my situation so I don’t expect you to understand.

Do you think it was only your special snowflake who was not selected? It was a lottery for a small number of spaces. As someone else noted you be better advocating for change to the criteria of entry into the lottery, or expansion of seats and programs.

Like right now as there is a county wide Program Study going on for the secondary level (MS/HS) with the ES level to follow.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

I agree. They should get rid of them and just offer an advanced class in each home school. It's just so watered down now.

Interesting, they’ve tried to do this just this by having ELC in every school. How’s that going?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

I agree. They should get rid of them and just offer an advanced class in each home school. It's just so watered down now.

Interesting, they’ve tried to do this just this by having ELC in every school. How’s that going?

Curious to know too

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And it sounds like ELC is going away after this year.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

I agree. They should get rid of them and just offer an advanced class in each home school. It's just so watered down now.

Does anyone know which department of MCPS should we contact for this matter?

Office of Accelerated and Enriched Instruction.
Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no point to elementary CES at this point. It used to be for kids whose needs could not be met in the homeroom class, but the lottery has taken that away. If they leave a kid who is 95th percentile, and take one that is 85th percentile, then how are we going to meet the needs of the 95th percentile kid- especially when they’ve taken away other high achieving kids? I work in title 1 and wish that the program was ended at this point.

I agree. They should get rid of them and just offer an advanced class in each home school. It's just so watered down now.

MCPS has attempted to provide advanced courses at every school AND maintain the magnets - currently both are theoretically happening. This was a part of the change with the lottery. All students who qualified for the lottery were supposed to be in at least some advanced classes. Agree that it doesn't seem all are implementing it well, but that is the current design.

The home classes are not the magnet classes. HIGH, for example, is really nothing like what is covered at Eastern. And there are no enriched/accelerated/cohorted English and Science classes.