Tufts student detained by ICE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas does not just want to destroy the Jewish state, but to kill all Jews.

I guess I’ll have to take you at your word because I’m not obsessed with Hamas (or boogeymen of any stripe, I guess).

However, in no part of this world is that purported aim even within a moonshot of being an actual danger, right? In fact, as we’ve all seen just these past two years or so, the body count disparity in this conflict really makes your statement seem silly and probably disingenuous.

Pointedly, members of which group are more at risk of death from members of the other group, based on the actual body count?

Now … do you see why people tend to roll their eyes with these existential threat claims you make to justify the actions of the group you favor?

When people tell you who they are, believe them. I would prefer they not bring in Gazans as refugees or students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness. MAGA, I know you don’t understand things until they happen to you, so lets pretend 3 years from now Trump is gone, and every non-citizen who ever expressed support for Trump, DOGE, MAGA, or the GOP has been rounded up on suspicion of anti-American activities and has been sent to wherever to await their fate.

Are you good with that?

Because if you’re not good with that, you shouldn’t be good with this.

That has already happened. The military and law enforcement under Biden removed people with suspected MAGA sympathies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness. MAGA, I know you don’t understand things until they happen to you, so lets pretend 3 years from now Trump is gone, and every non-citizen who ever expressed support for Trump, DOGE, MAGA, or the GOP has been rounded up on suspicion of anti-American activities and has been sent to wherever to await their fate.

Are you good with that?

Because if you’re not good with that, you shouldn’t be good with this.

That has already happened. The military and law enforcement under Biden removed people with suspected MAGA sympathies.

You need to come up with an objective source. If you can't, you are just another blathering idiot.

[Anonymous]

One of the more depressing things about Trump 2.0 is watching people wrap themselves in the flag while simultaneously destroying everything that flag stands for. Some of you are truly disgusting.

[Anonymous]

The News last night announced that she was detained for her pro-Hamas stance.

A direct statement from DHS:
Ozturk “engaged in activities in support of Hamas,” a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said Wednesday in a statement without specifying what those alleged activities were.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-we-know-about-the-tufts-university-phd-student-detained-by-federal-agents/ar-AA1BJZhM?ocid=BingNewsSerp

I want to know what those activities are. Simply protesting FOR Palestine is not pro-Hamas. Palestine and Hamas are not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the more depressing things about Trump 2.0 is watching people wrap themselves in the flag while simultaneously destroying everything that flag stands for. Some of you are truly disgusting.

The main thing the flag represents is that the US is a sovereign country. That means we are allowed to choose what foreigners enter and stay in the country.

You come as a student, do your studies and don’t protest the government that allowed you entry. It really is that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas does not just want to destroy the Jewish state, but to kill all Jews.

I guess I’ll have to take you at your word because I’m not obsessed with Hamas (or boogeymen of any stripe, I guess).

However, in no part of this world is that purported aim even within a moonshot of being an actual danger, right? In fact, as we’ve all seen just these past two years or so, the body count disparity in this conflict really makes your statement seem silly and probably disingenuous.

Pointedly, members of which group are more at risk of death from members of the other group, based on the actual body count?

Now … do you see why people tend to roll their eyes with these existential threat claims you make to justify the actions of the group you favor?

Take Hamas at their word. It is literally the underpinning of their entire reason for existing. It's in preamble to their charter: Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

Counting bodies is a perverse way to decide which side is just and moral. There is simply no equivalence between a group dedicated to the destruction of the adherents to another religion, and the exercise of defense against that obscene objective.

As I said, I’m not obsessed with Hamas to have their supposed charter burned into my retinas, but let’s use your words:

Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

Israel relentlessly refers to itself as the Jewish homeland, so the reference to “the Jews” in the first sentence above doesn’t move me in the slightest, nor is it clear at all that it suggests reference to Jewish populations elsewhere. Based on what I know of the circumstances, and the lack of harm caused here in the U.S., it seems painfully obvious to me that it’s a direct reference to Israel.

As far as vanquished, I read that to mean “vanquished from” the territories occupied by Israel that the entire world beyond Israel and the U.S. seem to agree should be self-governed by the Palestinian people.

To the extent that you choose to see more to it (e.g., that vanquished means more than that), I’d agree that Hamas can F right F off. But I think you know deep down that not only don’t they mean that, but even if they did, the likelihood that they could act upon it is 0.00%.

But you have your narrative and your talking points fine-tuned over decades of propaganda-driven frenzy, so I don’t expect you to acknowledge that no existential threat is made and none exists. To do so would mean that you would have to abandon an essential part of your identity, sadly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the more depressing things about Trump 2.0 is watching people wrap themselves in the flag while simultaneously destroying everything that flag stands for. Some of you are truly disgusting.

The main thing the flag represents is that the US is a sovereign country. That means we are allowed to choose what foreigners enter and stay in the country.

You come as a student, do your studies and don’t protest the government that allowed you entry. It really is that simple.

The student that is the subject of this thread did not "protest the government." Keep up. Did you even read the op-ed that she authored with three other students which is the basis for her abduction? Or are you just spouting off your MAGA talking points?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the more depressing things about Trump 2.0 is watching people wrap themselves in the flag while simultaneously destroying everything that flag stands for. Some of you are truly disgusting.

The main thing the flag represents is that the US is a sovereign country. That means we are allowed to choose what foreigners enter and stay in the country.

You come as a student, do your studies and don’t protest the government that allowed you entry. It really is that simple.

Ok, we get it, you love fascism. However, no matter how much you hate our country, this is America and people are allowed to express themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness. MAGA, I know you don’t understand things until they happen to you, so lets pretend 3 years from now Trump is gone, and every non-citizen who ever expressed support for Trump, DOGE, MAGA, or the GOP has been rounded up on suspicion of anti-American activities and has been sent to wherever to await their fate.

Are you good with that?

Because if you’re not good with that, you shouldn’t be good with this.

That has already happened. The military and law enforcement under Biden removed people with suspected MAGA sympathies.

You need to come up with an objective source. If you can't, you are just another blathering idiot.

They must be talking about the pedo Felons from the J6.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness. MAGA, I know you don’t understand things until they happen to you, so lets pretend 3 years from now Trump is gone, and every non-citizen who ever expressed support for Trump, DOGE, MAGA, or the GOP has been rounded up on suspicion of anti-American activities and has been sent to wherever to await their fate.

Are you good with that?

Because if you’re not good with that, you shouldn’t be good with this.

That has already happened. The military and law enforcement under Biden removed people with suspected MAGA sympathies.

Didn’t happen. But let’s say it did- are you ok with that? Or are you just saying that because you think it excuses the anti-American horror you support now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the more depressing things about Trump 2.0 is watching people wrap themselves in the flag while simultaneously destroying everything that flag stands for. Some of you are truly disgusting.

The main thing the flag represents is that the US is a sovereign country. That means we are allowed to choose what foreigners enter and stay in the country.

You come as a student, do your studies and don’t protest the government that allowed you entry. It really is that simple.

You either never took a Civics class or simply didn't pay attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lesson here is that non-citizens express their politics at their own risk. They have no absolute rights to say whatever they want, and the government has the absolute right to revoke permission for them to be here. That conduct presently unacceptable to the government has been tolerated in the past has no bearing on whether it can, should, or will be tolerated in the future.

Turkish and Chinese students can go home and say whatever they want to about U.S. or their own country's foreign policies. Their home governments may or may not tolerate them doing so. I suspect they'd be much more circumspect at home than they have been here.

It's disgusting that you're trying to justify this. Everyone has absolute rights. That's what this country was founded on.

Non-citizens do not have absolute rights, simple legal reality.

Can you cite a source that states legal immigrants do not have rights such as due process? Because I’m pretty sure the constitution does in fact cover non-citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that a lot of this was devised by pro-Israel businessmen who donate to both the GOP and Dems. Look up the Canary Mission - they have provided a list of people they want Trump to deport or imprison. This woman was on their hit list for writing an op-Ed in the student newspaper.

Here’s their hit list article on her:
https://canarymission.org/individual/Rumeysa_Ozturk

That’s terrifying. They have students, professors, medical professionals. WTF. Is anyone in the media talking about this organization?

And if you click on certain random names, the crime of the person is that he/she participated in anti-Israel protests.

Many thousands participated in these protests. Among them are many foreign nationals who weren't even GC holders likely. How come they aren't all getting arrested en masse if protesting against Israel is suddenly a crime? Could there possibly be other intel they had on these specific people that they were singled out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that a lot of this was devised by pro-Israel businessmen who donate to both the GOP and Dems. Look up the Canary Mission - they have provided a list of people they want Trump to deport or imprison. This woman was on their hit list for writing an op-Ed in the student newspaper.

Here’s their hit list article on her:
https://canarymission.org/individual/Rumeysa_Ozturk

That’s terrifying. They have students, professors, medical professionals. WTF. Is anyone in the media talking about this organization?

And if you click on certain random names, the crime of the person is that he/she participated in anti-Israel protests.

Many thousands participated in these protests. Among them are many foreign nationals who weren't even GC holders likely. How come they aren't all getting arrested en masse if protesting against Israel is suddenly a crime? Could there possibly be other intel they had on these specific people that they were singled out?

Or … the GC holders are easier to track down and prey upon, with the helpful nudge of foreign interests, of course. 😉