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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hamas does not just want to destroy the Jewish state, but to kill all Jews.[/quote]

I guess I’ll have to take you at your word because I’m not obsessed with Hamas (or boogeymen of any stripe, I guess).

However, in no part of this world is that purported aim even within a moonshot of being an actual danger, right? In fact, as we’ve all seen just these past two years or so, the body count disparity in this conflict really makes your statement seem silly and probably disingenuous.

Pointedly, members of which group are more at risk of death from members of the other group, based on the actual body count?

Now … do you see why people tend to roll their eyes with these existential threat claims you make to justify the actions of the group you favor?[/quote]

Take Hamas at their word.  It is literally the underpinning of their entire reason for existing.  It's in preamble to their charter:   Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

Counting bodies is a perverse way to decide which side is just and moral.  There is simply no equivalence between a group dedicated to the destruction of the adherents to another religion, and the exercise of defense against that obscene objective.

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As I said, I’m not obsessed with Hamas to have their supposed charter burned into my retinas, but let’s use your words:

[b]Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.[/b]

Israel relentlessly refers to itself as the Jewish homeland, so the reference to “the Jews” in the first sentence above doesn’t move me in the slightest, nor is it clear at all that it suggests reference to Jewish populations elsewhere. Based on what I know of the circumstances, and the lack of harm caused here in the U.S., it seems painfully obvious to me that it’s a direct reference to Israel.

As far as vanquished, I read that to mean “vanquished from” the territories occupied by Israel that the entire world beyond Israel and the U.S. seem to agree should be self-governed by the Palestinian people.

To the extent that you choose to see more to it (e.g., that vanquished means more than that), I’d agree that Hamas can F right F off. But I think you know deep down that not only don’t they mean that, but even if they did, the likelihood that they could act upon it is 0.00%.

But you have your narrative and your talking points fine-tuned over decades of propaganda-driven frenzy, so I don’t expect you to acknowledge that no existential threat is made and none exists. To do so would mean that you would have to abandon an essential part of your identity, sadly.[/quote]

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