If you are avoiding Amazon and Target, where are you buying what?

[Anonymous]

Must be exhausting to be OP. Does she have to a 401k? If so, she is likely profiting from those evil companies, Amazon and Target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Must be exhausting to be OP. Does she have to a 401k? If so, she is likely profiting from those evil companies, Amazon and Target.

And she's hypocritical. If she cares about employee well-being, she should know the worst places to work at are small locally owned businesses. They are much more likely to take advantage of employees and abuse them, whereas major retailers and businesses are subject to much more scrutiny and labor regulatory oversight. There's a reason why Target and Walmart and Amazon get thousands of applications from workers who want to avoid working at small mom and pops, who pay less, have fewer benefits and less oversight allowing them to take advantage of workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't proactively support small businesses even if I like the notion of small businesses because they're just not that great. They are more expensive and don't have the same stock. And some are certainly very ideological (looking at you Penzys).

Amazon is wonderful. Target is convenient. The only person who cares if you try to make a moral argument out of avoiding Amazon and Target is you and you alone, no one else. Do what you want but you aren't budging the needle except you will spend more money by trying to avoid the big boxes and Amazon, and it was another person on another thread who also pointed out it's more ecologically friendly and sustainable to stick with Amazon and deliveries than going to 20 different stores in your car.

Beg to differ:

Teslas is down 40%
Target sales are down 3% since Jan, stock is down

You don’t think Target and Tesla care? You do you but I’m spending MY money where I want and with businesses who aren’t groveling at the feet of facists.

Tesla is an intriguing and narrow example to cite, the product was far more popular among the "left" than the "right" so it was prone to consumer shifts in a way mass retailers are not. A comparable would be Budweiser, it's a product more popular among the "right" than the "left" so the boycott had real impact. And it doesn't help that Tesla stock was already enormously overvalued as any market guru would have told you even before Musk came on the scene. Unlike Budweiser, given Musk's history in reviving Twitter's value I wouldn't rule out a big Tesla boom in a year or two.

Your boycott is going to garner nothing more than a slow clap because reasons you cite are actually very popular among most Americans, such as the DEI rollbacks. You are in the distinct minority. Both Amazon and Target and Walmart also hire large numbers of working Americans who'd struggle otherwise to find other jobs. If you knew anything about Amazon, while their corporate culture is demanding and works people hard, those who who are able to perform are rewarded greatly. A lot of success stories of employees starting from the bottom and working their way up with determination and grit.

You can do what you want, the tradeoff is that you will spend more money and be more inconvenienced by avoiding Amazon and popular big retailers who have enormous scales of efficiency they pass on consumers. Virtue signaling is a luxury, and it's your decision.

I am both virtual signaling and think you're all lazy that you can't run a few errands instead of ordering on amazon. Take a walk! It's not that hard.

[Anonymous]

So the OP is boycotting these companies because she believes that eliminating policies that are proven to be racist is racist.

If you actually want to be a moral person and have a positive impact on other peoples lives, eliminate the propaganda from your life and contribute in a meaningful way.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who has read a little bit into it knows how Amazon is a huge monopoly now in many spheres of life and business (AWS). If you need anything, chance is there is not a single store around you that will have it - but Amazon does. Example - try to buy a decent stainless steel frying pan or pot. How many stores will you go to before you find something not too shabby. Amazon has been fighting unionization, greenwashing their carbon footprint, etc. Read the stories how drivers cannot take a break? Extorting book sellers for rock-bottom prices, having huge fees for small sellers or copying innovative products under its Amazon Basics brand. Media stories galore over the last 10+ years. Yet we shop there. The convenience is unbeatable. Today everything is about convenience and lack of pain/discomfort. So, the real reason for boycotting Amazon is that it is too big to the point it creates negative externalities for the system as a whole. When people say we have a choice, not really. Target was the local brick-n-mortar alternative. Exclude both from your shopping and you are in a tough spot. Add three children and a wife, and full-time jobs in the office, and good luck managing a household without any sort of convenience of online shopping. In the end, we will pay dearly with our own freedom. United States grew fastest and created the most wealth for average citizens when there was a lot of competition among companies, not when we had mega monopolies in every sphere of life and out of this world income inequality. Monopoly and oligarchy were anti-American concepts.

When I think more about it, it is just an evolutionary period. We are not going back, so time to pull out your phone, open amazon app and order something made in china. Mr. Xi needs his exports, because nobody over there is buying the knick-knacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Must be exhausting to be OP. Does she have to a 401k? If so, she is likely profiting from those evil companies, Amazon and Target.

And she's hypocritical. If she cares about employee well-being, she should know the worst places to work at are small locally owned businesses. They are much more likely to take advantage of employees and abuse them, whereas major retailers and businesses are subject to much more scrutiny and labor regulatory oversight. There's a reason why Target and Walmart and Amazon get thousands of applications from workers who want to avoid working at small mom and pops, who pay less, have fewer benefits and less oversight allowing them to take advantage of workers.

This is pure drivel. Do you know how much Walmart costs American taxpayers because they underemploy workers?

Why so many people standing up for the billionaires. Truly inconceivable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't proactively support small businesses even if I like the notion of small businesses because they're just not that great. They are more expensive and don't have the same stock. And some are certainly very ideological (looking at you Penzys).

Amazon is wonderful. Target is convenient. The only person who cares if you try to make a moral argument out of avoiding Amazon and Target is you and you alone, no one else. Do what you want but you aren't budging the needle except you will spend more money by trying to avoid the big boxes and Amazon, and it was another person on another thread who also pointed out it's more ecologically friendly and sustainable to stick with Amazon and deliveries than going to 20 different stores in your car.

Beg to differ:

Teslas is down 40%
Target sales are down 3% since Jan, stock is down

You don’t think Target and Tesla care? You do you but I’m spending MY money where I want and with businesses who aren’t groveling at the feet of facists.

Tesla is an intriguing and narrow example to cite, the product was far more popular among the "left" than the "right" so it was prone to consumer shifts in a way mass retailers are not. A comparable would be Budweiser, it's a product more popular among the "right" than the "left" so the boycott had real impact. And it doesn't help that Tesla stock was already enormously overvalued as any market guru would have told you even before Musk came on the scene. Unlike Budweiser, given Musk's history in reviving Twitter's value I wouldn't rule out a big Tesla boom in a year or two.

Your boycott is going to garner nothing more than a slow clap because reasons you cite are actually very popular among most Americans, such as the DEI rollbacks. You are in the distinct minority. Both Amazon and Target and Walmart also hire large numbers of working Americans who'd struggle otherwise to find other jobs. If you knew anything about Amazon, while their corporate culture is demanding and works people hard, those who who are able to perform are rewarded greatly. A lot of success stories of employees starting from the bottom and working their way up with determination and grit.

You can do what you want, the tradeoff is that you will spend more money and be more inconvenienced by avoiding Amazon and popular big retailers who have enormous scales of efficiency they pass on consumers. Virtue signaling is a luxury, and it's your decision.

This doesn’t make sense?

The left wants you to shop locally, so while you pay more, the money goes into the community.

The right wants you to support more billionaires, so you’ll pay more because of price gouging, lack of competition, lack of regulatory protections, and a desire to bring production back to the US — which will be astronomical.

So, you’re going to pay more. We all are. It’s up to us to decide our values.

[Anonymous]

Not OP but also boycotting Amazon (also cancelled my Wash Post subscription) and Target and doing my very best to shop local. I find something on Amazon and then use Google lens to find it elsewhere. Also team never a Tesla Nazi mobile or shop at Walmart (we subsidize Walmart so much because they don't pay their employees enough and teach them how to apply for welfare, SNAP, etc. It's a piss-poor business model that wouldn't succeed without the government handouts to their employees

I will not willingly support the oligarch billionaires

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd love a good replacement for kids stuff - specifically basic clothes, not the kind I would get as hand-me-downs. For example, socks, underwear, leggings. Where you shop for these?

Don't sleep on Kohls! It's old school but seriously...Nice selection of Under Armour, Nike, etc for kids. Also good for shoes, homewares, toys for gifts, socks, bras, etc.

Costco also has great kids clothes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not OP but also boycotting Amazon (also cancelled my Wash Post subscription) and Target and doing my very best to shop local. I find something on Amazon and then use Google lens to find it elsewhere. Also team never a Tesla Nazi mobile or shop at Walmart (we subsidize Walmart so much because they don't pay their employees enough and teach them how to apply for welfare, SNAP, etc. It's a piss-poor business model that wouldn't succeed without the government handouts to their employees

I will not willingly support the oligarch billionaires

Yet you almost certainly own stock in Amazon, Target, and Walmart. And you're telling us that you never shopped at Walmart? It wasn't like they just started engaging in these business practices. Very hypocritcal and not the flex that you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not OP but also boycotting Amazon (also cancelled my Wash Post subscription) and Target and doing my very best to shop local. I find something on Amazon and then use Google lens to find it elsewhere. Also team never a Tesla Nazi mobile or shop at Walmart (we subsidize Walmart so much because they don't pay their employees enough and teach them how to apply for welfare, SNAP, etc. It's a piss-poor business model that wouldn't succeed without the government handouts to their employees

I will not willingly support the oligarch billionaires

Yet you almost certainly own stock in Amazon, Target, and Walmart. And you're telling us that you never shopped at Walmart? It wasn't like they just started engaging in these business practices. Very hypocritcal and not the flex that you think it is.

DP who is also not shopping there. No, I’m not getting out of index funds, but the worse the stocks do, the funds will drop them. I’ve been in a Walmart once to buy one thing, once when I was sick with COVID on vacation and couldn’t go anywhere else to get a Covid test because cvs and target were out.

I’m in my 50s and avoided it because of their predatory practices.

[Anonymous]

It cracks me up that leftists are now boycotting Target for not being sufficiently woke. A couple of years ago boycotting Target was right-coded because of the over-the-top Pride merchandise displays, which were removed from almost all markets the following year, probably because the Pride-themed merchandise sold abysmally in most places. I am skeptical that the leftist boycott will be as effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't proactively support small businesses even if I like the notion of small businesses because they're just not that great. They are more expensive and don't have the same stock. And some are certainly very ideological (looking at you Penzys).

Amazon is wonderful. Target is convenient. The only person who cares if you try to make a moral argument out of avoiding Amazon and Target is you and you alone, no one else. Do what you want but you aren't budging the needle except you will spend more money by trying to avoid the big boxes and Amazon, and it was another person on another thread who also pointed out it's more ecologically friendly and sustainable to stick with Amazon and deliveries than going to 20 different stores in your car.

Beg to differ:

Teslas is down 40%
Target sales are down 3% since Jan, stock is down

You don’t think Target and Tesla care? You do you but I’m spending MY money where I want and with businesses who aren’t groveling at the feet of facists.

Tesla is an intriguing and narrow example to cite, the product was far more popular among the "left" than the "right" so it was prone to consumer shifts in a way mass retailers are not. A comparable would be Budweiser, it's a product more popular among the "right" than the "left" so the boycott had real impact. And it doesn't help that Tesla stock was already enormously overvalued as any market guru would have told you even before Musk came on the scene. Unlike Budweiser, given Musk's history in reviving Twitter's value I wouldn't rule out a big Tesla boom in a year or two.

Your boycott is going to garner nothing more than a slow clap because reasons you cite are actually very popular among most Americans, such as the DEI rollbacks. You are in the distinct minority. Both Amazon and Target and Walmart also hire large numbers of working Americans who'd struggle otherwise to find other jobs. If you knew anything about Amazon, while their corporate culture is demanding and works people hard, those who who are able to perform are rewarded greatly. A lot of success stories of employees starting from the bottom and working their way up with determination and grit.

You can do what you want, the tradeoff is that you will spend more money and be more inconvenienced by avoiding Amazon and popular big retailers who have enormous scales of efficiency they pass on consumers. Virtue signaling is a luxury, and it's your decision.

I am both virtual signaling and think you're all lazy that you can't run a few errands instead of ordering on amazon. Take a walk! It's not that hard.

I just ordered a bunch of stuff on Amazon. None of which I can get by walking anywhere. Some I could get by driving but I'd have to drive to multiple stores and spend a few hours doing it. Burning gas and producing carbon in the process. And paying more for it.

Which is more sustainable and the better option? You tell me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Must be exhausting to be OP. Does she have to a 401k? If so, she is likely profiting from those evil companies, Amazon and Target.

And she's hypocritical. If she cares about employee well-being, she should know the worst places to work at are small locally owned businesses. They are much more likely to take advantage of employees and abuse them, whereas major retailers and businesses are subject to much more scrutiny and labor regulatory oversight. There's a reason why Target and Walmart and Amazon get thousands of applications from workers who want to avoid working at small mom and pops, who pay less, have fewer benefits and less oversight allowing them to take advantage of workers.

This is pure drivel. Do you know how much Walmart costs American taxpayers because they underemploy workers?

Why so many people standing up for the billionaires. Truly inconceivable.

If you think Walmart underemploys workers then you have no idea how most small local businesses treat their workers.

This is not a honest discussion because you have a preconceived narrative of what must be right and you will not accept anything to the contrary. You'd rather rant about billionaires (who donate far more to the Democrats than the GOP, FYI, I remember Pritzker sneering at Trump for not being a real billionaire like himself and getting a standing ovation by Democrats), all the while pretending you know what real working people want and like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not OP but also boycotting Amazon (also cancelled my Wash Post subscription) and Target and doing my very best to shop local. I find something on Amazon and then use Google lens to find it elsewhere. Also team never a Tesla Nazi mobile or shop at Walmart (we subsidize Walmart so much because they don't pay their employees enough and teach them how to apply for welfare, SNAP, etc. It's a piss-poor business model that wouldn't succeed without the government handouts to their employees

I will not willingly support the oligarch billionaires

Yet you almost certainly own stock in Amazon, Target, and Walmart. And you're telling us that you never shopped at Walmart? It wasn't like they just started engaging in these business practices. Very hypocritcal and not the flex that you think it is.

No, I have never shopped at Walmart (grew up in a bleeding heart household, we recycled since before recycling was cool, as in 50 years ago). I try to shop small and local as often as I can. Definitely not easy, and not always possible, but there are no Walmarts near where I live, and I have never been to one while on vacation.