WaPo: Pedestrians Deaths Have Doubled in Past 10 Years

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The chutzpah of Charles Allen in that article to say "it's personal to me" when he literally wrote laws that kept dangerous drivers on the road, and literally has called for MPD to stop all in-person traffic enforcement. He's a ghoul.

This. The insanity of letting drivers with $12k in speeding tickets renew their drivers licenses because they might abut “equity” concerns related to commuting to jobs was always nuts. They basically balanced public safety with equity. I hope Congress follows through and takes over DC. Our crime policies are fking nuts.

It's also pretty galling that a guy with a DUI on his record is bemoaning other dangerous drivers. Charles Allen probably should sit this one out.

[Anonymous]

Didn’t an ATV almost kill someone the other day riding on the sidewalk? Looks like the patron saints of ATVs Nadeau and Allen are goners, goodspeed so are ATVs, and everyone’s doing right on red.

These days I do RoR safely with glee as an act of civil disobedience against this despicably corrupt, patronizing and incompetent council.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t an ATV almost kill someone the other day riding on the sidewalk? Looks like the patron saints of ATVs Nadeau and Allen are goners, goodspeed so are ATVs, and everyone’s doing right on red.

These days I do RoR safely with glee as an act of civil disobedience against this despicably corrupt, patronizing and incompetent council.

Michigan native Brianne Nadeau says ATVs are part of "DC culture" and that residents can just soundproof their homes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

This. The more you slow down traffic, the more incentive drivers have to make up lost time in unanticipated ways. Rolling stop signs for example or driving really fast when they know cameras arent looking.

It would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that you also believe that young women wearing revealing clothes are a cause of sexual assault.

You know what slows down traffic? Cars. Specifically, too many of them. You won’t find a lot of speed cameras, bike lanes, or flex posts in Houston and Los Angeles and yet congestion is much worse there than here. How do you think that happens?

You are, without a doubt, one of the most dishonest people in the entire world.

DC has, along with LA and Houston, for a long time been consistently ranked as one the cities with the worst congestion in the country. Which is just one of the many reasons why your plan to intentionally increase congestion is so very stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

This. The more you slow down traffic, the more incentive drivers have to make up lost time in unanticipated ways. Rolling stop signs for example or driving really fast when they know cameras arent looking.

My goodness.

If you really believe that being “slowed down” gives you an excuse to speed or otherwise drive in a manner than endangers everyone else who might be using the road, PLEASE SEEK PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP. You suffer from narcissistic personality disorder and present a clear and present danger to yourself and everyone you might encounter on the road.

Attitudes like yours - which have grown in abundance as a result of whatever the pandemic did to our minds and to our culture - are precisely the reason so many people are dying in traffic accidents.

I shudder to think that one day you may be involved in one yourself and, should you be around to tell the tale, blame your reckless driving on impatience after a speed camera or other impediment forcing you to actually obey the law for a fleeting second.

Come to think of it, I’ll revise my advice for you: JUST DON’T DRIVE, ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME. Learn to ride a bike or take the bus. The rest of us would like to get home to our kids at night. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

This. The more you slow down traffic, the more incentive drivers have to make up lost time in unanticipated ways. Rolling stop signs for example or driving really fast when they know cameras arent looking.

It would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that you also believe that young women wearing revealing clothes are a cause of sexual assault.

You know what slows down traffic? Cars. Specifically, too many of them. You won’t find a lot of speed cameras, bike lanes, or flex posts in Houston and Los Angeles and yet congestion is much worse there than here. How do you think that happens?

You are, without a doubt, one of the most dishonest people in the entire world.

DC has, along with LA and Houston, for a long time been consistently ranked as one the cities with the worst congestion in the country. Which is just one of the many reasons why your plan to intentionally increase congestion is so very stupid.

How did congestion in LA and Houston get so bad? Was it all the bike lanes and speed cameras they installed along their highways? Is the Beltway so backed up every evening because of the bike lanes and speed cameras all along it? Please explain it all to us, honest one.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The poster is not mad about anything. But it appears that you are very mad that you are being called out about your relentless lying and/or failure to properly interpret basic English sentences, to which you apparently have no meaningful response.

It's hilarious how you pretend to be a different poster.

Whoever it was, you just proved their point.

[Anonymous]

Saw a mother and her daughter almost run over near Bethesda elementary this morning. Why does the light turn green for drivers to turn at the same time as the pedestrian light comes on?!?!! Insane.
The pedestrian light comes on for people at the cross walk and about ten seconds in drivers are given a green light but the pedestrian light is also on. Why not make it a full stop and not expect people to “use common sense”. They don’t.

[Anonymous]

Science for anyone who believes letting drivers drive faster will do anything other than kill people: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2724439/

[Anonymous]

I feel like this conversation is missing a couple of things--first, vehicle size. Cars keep getting bigger. Bigger/taller/heavier cars are more likely to cause fatal injuries to pedestrians/cyclists. Visit https://www.carsized.com/en/ and compare a vehicle from 10, 20, 30+ years ago to even the small SUVs everyone drives these days. Then look at something like an Escalade or the Ford F-series trucks (best selling vehicles in America). The hood is taller than most young kids and even some small adults. Your survival odds when hit by a vehicle that comes up to your neck and weighs 5,500lbs are not good at any speed. As an example, here's a 2007-2012 Honda Accord vs the current Escalade: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/honda-accord-2007-sedan-vs-cadillac-escalade-2020-suv/front/?units=imperial

Read about how car manufacturers are incentivized to make gigantic vehicles: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution. If you need a TLDR video version, try this: https://www.vox.com/videos/2023/7/25/23807518/cars-suvs-americans-big-automobiles-travel

Also--What's happened in the past 10 years that contributes to driver distraction? Widespread adoption of smartphones. I see people every single day driving at pedestrian-killing speeds, looking down at their phones. The infotainment screens in cars aren't great for this either, but phones are a huge problem.

Finally, there's a theory that the switch to mostly automatic transmissions in the US encourages distracted driving because driving an automatic can be such a passive activity when compared to a manual transmission.

All of that said, driver behavior is abysmal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this conversation is missing a couple of things--first, vehicle size. Cars keep getting bigger. Bigger/taller/heavier cars are more likely to cause fatal injuries to pedestrians/cyclists. Visit https://www.carsized.com/en/ and compare a vehicle from 10, 20, 30+ years ago to even the small SUVs everyone drives these days. Then look at something like an Escalade or the Ford F-series trucks (best selling vehicles in America). The hood is taller than most young kids and even some small adults. Your survival odds when hit by a vehicle that comes up to your neck and weighs 5,500lbs are not good at any speed. As an example, here's a 2007-2012 Honda Accord vs the current Escalade: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/honda-accord-2007-sedan-vs-cadillac-escalade-2020-suv/front/?units=imperial

Read about how car manufacturers are incentivized to make gigantic vehicles: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution. If you need a TLDR video version, try this: https://www.vox.com/videos/2023/7/25/23807518/cars-suvs-americans-big-automobiles-travel

Also--What's happened in the past 10 years that contributes to driver distraction? Widespread adoption of smartphones. I see people every single day driving at pedestrian-killing speeds, looking down at their phones. The infotainment screens in cars aren't great for this either, but phones are a huge problem.

Finally, there's a theory that the switch to mostly automatic transmissions in the US encourages distracted driving because driving an automatic can be such a passive activity when compared to a manual transmission.

All of that said, driver behavior is abysmal.

All of this has been condoned (and ultimately encouraged) by the Council's policies. This was a deliberate choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

Interesting that more traffic deaths in DC are blamed on pedestrians and cyclists and scooter riders (15) than on speeding drivers (9)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

Interesting that more traffic deaths in DC are blamed on pedestrians and cyclists and scooter riders (15) than on speeding drivers (9)

Interesting how you’re:

1) cherry picking data from 2022 because the data from other years is markedly different;

2) conflating “predominant cause of traffic fatality” with factors that contributed to the accident (for example, many impaired drivers also speed);

3) disregarding the fact that, in urban settings at least, speed is almost always a factor in accidents that cause mortal injuries to pedestrians; and

4) ignorant of the methodology by which the predominant cause is determined.

You owe us all an explanation of why you are so persistent in your efforts to spread misinformation that falsely minimizes the accountability of speeding drivers for traffic fatalities and so eager to blame pedestrians for their own deaths. If you love speed so much, find a race track and indulge yourself there. The residents of the DC metro area would prefer that you don’t endanger our lives with your carelessness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

Interesting that more traffic deaths in DC are blamed on pedestrians and cyclists and scooter riders (15) than on speeding drivers (9)

It makes sense, pedestrians are always falling into manholes and scooter riders crash right into trees all the time. Not a single car involved in those crashes, especially not speeding ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

Interesting that more traffic deaths in DC are blamed on pedestrians and cyclists and scooter riders (15) than on speeding drivers (9)

It makes sense, pedestrians are always falling into manholes and scooter riders crash right into trees all the time. Not a single car involved in those crashes, especially not speeding ones.

Stop replying to your own posts. It’s pathetic.