WaPo: Pedestrians Deaths Have Doubled in Past 10 Years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The chutzpah of Charles Allen in that article to say "it's personal to me" when he literally wrote laws that kept dangerous drivers on the road, and literally has called for MPD to stop all in-person traffic enforcement. He's a ghoul.

This. The insanity of letting drivers with $12k in speeding tickets renew their drivers licenses because they might abut “equity” concerns related to commuting to jobs was always nuts. They basically balanced public safety with equity. I hope Congress follows through and takes over DC. Our crime policies are fking nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The poster is not mad about anything. But it appears that you are very mad that you are being called out about your relentless lying and/or failure to properly interpret basic English sentences, to which you apparently have no meaningful response.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The poster is not mad about anything. But it appears that you are very mad that you are being called out about your relentless lying and/or failure to properly interpret basic English sentences, to which you apparently have no meaningful response.

It's hilarious how you pretend to be a different poster.

[Anonymous]

Have any of you driven or ridden in a third world country? Do you really think importing thousands and thousands of people from these countries has no effect on our driving habits? It's not like they are taking driver's ed from I Drive Smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have any of you driven or ridden in a third world country? Do you really think importing thousands and thousands of people from these countries has no effect on our driving habits? It's not like they are taking driver's ed from I Drive Smart.

In my experience, the worst drivers in DC are homegrown.

[Anonymous]

They give a license to anybody these days. I thought you had to take drivers education course to get your license.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

[Anonymous]

How about revoking licenses of traffic offenders instead of using traffic offenses as a means of generating income?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

This. The more you slow down traffic, the more incentive drivers have to make up lost time in unanticipated ways. Rolling stop signs for example or driving really fast when they know cameras arent looking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

This. The more you slow down traffic, the more incentive drivers have to make up lost time in unanticipated ways. Rolling stop signs for example or driving really fast when they know cameras arent looking.

It's like raising taxes. The higher they go, the more people will cheat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

This. The more you slow down traffic, the more incentive drivers have to make up lost time in unanticipated ways. Rolling stop signs for example or driving really fast when they know cameras arent looking.

It would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that you also believe that young women wearing revealing clothes are a cause of sexual assault.

You know what slows down traffic? Cars. Specifically, too many of them. You won’t find a lot of speed cameras, bike lanes, or flex posts in Houston and Los Angeles and yet congestion is much worse there than here. How do you think that happens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about revoking licenses of traffic offenders instead of using traffic offenses as a means of generating income?

Why not both? There is absolutely nothing wrong with fining drivers who speed, run red lights, or otherwise endanger everyone else on the road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be an assumption that drivers are always at fault. But that's not at all what the police say.

There were 35 traffic deaths in DC in 2022 (the most recent we have data). Of them, 12 were blamed on pedestrians, the police determined.

See page 24 of the police department's annual report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

It's just that one poster, who also says that the MPD are liars, that thinks everything is always the fault of cars.

No. You continuously misrepresent MPD’s analysis on here. Multiple posters have called you out on this over recent months and years. You ignore them and keep on misrepresenting. You are a despicable and dangerous individual.

No. It's just you and you're filled with bad faith.

Bad faith? Like claiming that a certain number of people have been killed by speeding drivers when that number actually represents the number of people that MPD determined were killed in crashes that were “predominantly” caused by speeding (as opposed to drunk driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and so forth)? Or do you just not think that there is a meaningful difference between the two? This was all hashed out here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/1247351.page#29088953, where multiple posters called you out. Please review it.

MPD’s methodology in determining which factor is the “predominant” cause is a curiosity. Take an accident that most of us are now familiar with, the tragic collision between the regional jet and the helicopter at DCA a few weeks ago. What would be the predominant cause of this accident? That the helicopter was 100ft above the stipulated altitude, that the helicopter crew didn’t see the regional jet, that helicopter crew were wearing night-vision goggles, that the DCA tower was understaffed and the controller didn’t provide more guidance to the helicopter crew on the location of the regional jet, the use of an approach path that took jets right over the helicopter route, or something else? Picking a “predominant” cause among multiple factors - the removal of any one of which would have prevented the accident - is more than a little silly. MPD should really stop doing this, if they haven’t already.

This is such a ridiculous, dishonest and painfully stupid argument. You're just mad that so few people are killed by speeding drivers. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the police department's traffic statistics, because they completely contradict the lies of the war-on-cars people.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

You need to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the statistics you quote relentlessly. You don’t understand them at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero has ironically killed at least one pedestrian this year.

Yeah, they lowered speed limits to save pedestrian lives; they added No Turn on Red at many more intersections to save lives; they took away travel lanes and converted to bike lanes..

and the result is.. deaths go up?

Because Bowser didn't factor human nature into her policies. She took away literally hundreds of miles of driving lanes, putting in bike lanes and 1 million flex posts and random curbs and islands. She has created much worse traffic resulting in drivers who are more frustrated and impatient than they've ever been at the same time you have pedestrians who have the sense of invincibility who stare at their phones and walk across any street expecting vehicles and electric bikes to stop for them. But those annoyed, late drivers are also districted by their phones. I guess when pedestrians are inevitably hit and die, at least they had their point, right? And with RTO for feds it will only get worse.

This. The more you slow down traffic, the more incentive drivers have to make up lost time in unanticipated ways. Rolling stop signs for example or driving really fast when they know cameras arent looking.

Keep in mind people will come to different conclusions on what do next when confronted by such resistance.