Where do top students who got rejected early from Ivy/T10 land?

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

At our school many ED2 to U Chicago, Hopkins if pre med or Tufts/Bowdoin/Wesleyan if they want more of a LAC.

they aren't getting into Chicago or Hopkins for ED 2 if unhooked. If anything, these are harder than many ivies ED1.

This just isn’t true, since the admitted students are almost exclusively Ivy+ rejects.

You're kind of dumb - ED2 at Hopkins and Chicago is far more selective than ED 1 at ivies.

This might be true. Hopkins and Chicago are unusual among top schools in having ED2. Probably many strong kids apply ED2 there and it is a tough pool.

That said, the overall difficulty of getting into Hopkins or Chicago is similar to Cornell or Northwestern imo.

Both actually harder for class of 2028:

Hopkins: 5.5% acceptance rate overall
Chicago: 4.5% accepted
Cornell: 8.4%

Enrolled Test scores:

Hopkins:1530 - 1570
Chicago: 1510 - 1560
Cornell: 1480 - 1550
Chicago:

Re SAT scores, aren't all those schools test optional in those stats?

That’s Numberwang!

Pre-test optional, chicago and hopkins were both already more selective than cornell with higher test scores. this isn't anything new.

FWIW, Hopkins and Chicago removed their pre-covid common data sets so there's no way to tell. (Cornell provides common data sets back to 1999.)

Here you go precovid:

https://hub.jhu.edu/2017/08/25/class-of-2021-overview-facts/

JHU's range: 1480 to 1560

Cornell: 1390-1530

Chicago based on a search online was 1420 to 1530.

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Link for Cornell's 1390 to 1530 range:

https://irp.dpb.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Profile2017-Freshmen.pdf

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surprising to see Cornell back then compared to now is still similar amount of students in top 10% in class rank ~86%

Hopkins and Chicago currently at 97%+. Back in 2017, Hopkins and Chicago were both higher than Cornell too.

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Anonymous wrote:surprising to see Cornell back then compared to now is still similar amount of students in top 10% in class rank ~86%

Hopkins and Chicago currently at 97%+. Back in 2017, Hopkins and Chicago were both higher than Cornell too.

I think the public parts of Cornell are probably a bit less competitive than the private.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

At our school many ED2 to U Chicago, Hopkins if pre med or Tufts/Bowdoin/Wesleyan if they want more of a LAC.

they aren't getting into Chicago or Hopkins for ED 2 if unhooked. If anything, these are harder than many ivies ED1.

This just isn’t true, since the admitted students are almost exclusively Ivy+ rejects.

You're kind of dumb - ED2 at Hopkins and Chicago is far more selective than ED 1 at ivies.

This might be true. Hopkins and Chicago are unusual among top schools in having ED2. Probably many strong kids apply ED2 there and it is a tough pool.

That said, the overall difficulty of getting into Hopkins or Chicago is similar to Cornell or Northwestern imo.

Both actually harder for class of 2028:

Hopkins: 5.5% acceptance rate overall
Chicago: 4.5% accepted
Cornell: 8.4%

Enrolled Test scores:

Hopkins:1530 - 1570
Chicago: 1510 - 1560
Cornell: 1480 - 1550
Chicago:

Re SAT scores, aren't all those schools test optional in those stats?

That’s Numberwang!

Pre-test optional, chicago and hopkins were both already more selective than cornell with higher test scores. this isn't anything new.

FWIW, Hopkins and Chicago removed their pre-covid common data sets so there's no way to tell. (Cornell provides common data sets back to 1999.)

Here you go precovid:

https://hub.jhu.edu/2017/08/25/class-of-2021-overview-facts/

JHU's range: 1480 to 1560

Cornell: 1390-1530

Chicago based on a search online was 1420 to 1530.

Those numbers may be correct but you should probably link to the common data set. That JHU pdf looks like a marketing handout.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

At our school many ED2 to U Chicago, Hopkins if pre med or Tufts/Bowdoin/Wesleyan if they want more of a LAC.

they aren't getting into Chicago or Hopkins for ED 2 if unhooked. If anything, these are harder than many ivies ED1.

This just isn’t true, since the admitted students are almost exclusively Ivy+ rejects.

You're kind of dumb - ED2 at Hopkins and Chicago is far more selective than ED 1 at ivies.

This might be true. Hopkins and Chicago are unusual among top schools in having ED2. Probably many strong kids apply ED2 there and it is a tough pool.

That said, the overall difficulty of getting into Hopkins or Chicago is similar to Cornell or Northwestern imo.

Both actually harder for class of 2028:

Hopkins: 5.5% acceptance rate overall
Chicago: 4.5% accepted
Cornell: 8.4%

Enrolled Test scores:

Hopkins:1530 - 1570
Chicago: 1510 - 1560
Cornell: 1480 - 1550
Chicago:

Re SAT scores, aren't all those schools test optional in those stats?

That’s Numberwang!

Pre-test optional, chicago and hopkins were both already more selective than cornell with higher test scores. this isn't anything new.

FWIW, Hopkins and Chicago removed their pre-covid common data sets so there's no way to tell. (Cornell provides common data sets back to 1999.)

Here you go precovid:

https://hub.jhu.edu/2017/08/25/class-of-2021-overview-facts/

JHU's range: 1480 to 1560

Cornell: 1390-1530

Chicago based on a search online was 1420 to 1530.

Those are interesting stats. For SAT, Chicago used to be much higher than JHU or Cornell. Someone posted this in a different thread:
https://cdn2.psychologytoday.com/assets/attachments/56143/1339-us-colleges-ranked-average-student-brainpower.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

At our school many ED2 to U Chicago, Hopkins if pre med or Tufts/Bowdoin/Wesleyan if they want more of a LAC.

they aren't getting into Chicago or Hopkins for ED 2 if unhooked. If anything, these are harder than many ivies ED1.

This just isn’t true, since the admitted students are almost exclusively Ivy+ rejects.

You're kind of dumb - ED2 at Hopkins and Chicago is far more selective than ED 1 at ivies.

This might be true. Hopkins and Chicago are unusual among top schools in having ED2. Probably many strong kids apply ED2 there and it is a tough pool.

That said, the overall difficulty of getting into Hopkins or Chicago is similar to Cornell or Northwestern imo.

Both actually harder for class of 2028:

Hopkins: 5.5% acceptance rate overall
Chicago: 4.5% accepted
Cornell: 8.4%

Enrolled Test scores:

Hopkins:1530 - 1570
Chicago: 1510 - 1560
Cornell: 1480 - 1550
Chicago:

Re SAT scores, aren't all those schools test optional in those stats?

That’s Numberwang!

Pre-test optional, chicago and hopkins were both already more selective than cornell with higher test scores. this isn't anything new.

FWIW, Hopkins and Chicago removed their pre-covid common data sets so there's no way to tell. (Cornell provides common data sets back to 1999.)

Here you go precovid:

https://hub.jhu.edu/2017/08/25/class-of-2021-overview-facts/

JHU's range: 1480 to 1560

Cornell: 1390-1530

Chicago based on a search online was 1420 to 1530.

Those numbers may be correct but you should probably link to the common data set. That JHU pdf looks like a marketing handout.

that’s the summary they do for every entering freshman class as an infographic.

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Anonymous wrote:surprising to see Cornell back then compared to now is still similar amount of students in top 10% in class rank ~86%

Hopkins and Chicago currently at 97%+. Back in 2017, Hopkins and Chicago were both higher than Cornell too.

I think the public parts of Cornell are probably a bit less competitive than the private.

Cornell’s latest classs of 2028 now at 81% of class within top 10% (vs 98% at chicago and 99% at Hopkins) and 55% submitting test scores (similar to hopkins and chicago).

No reason for class rank percent to be that low state side or private. test scores already shown to be lower

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Anonymous wrote:surprising to see Cornell back then compared to now is still similar amount of students in top 10% in class rank ~86%

Hopkins and Chicago currently at 97%+. Back in 2017, Hopkins and Chicago were both higher than Cornell too.

I think the public parts of Cornell are probably a bit less competitive than the private.

Cornell’s latest classs of 2028 now at 81% of class within top 10% (vs 98% at chicago and 99% at Hopkins) and 55% submitting test scores (similar to hopkins and chicago).

No reason for class rank percent to be that low state side or private. test scores already shown to be lower

How is that class rank stat even possible? Chicago takes over 2% of its class from private high schools that don’t rank.

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Anonymous wrote:Which ED 2 schools has a strong business program?

Babson, BC, BU, Claremont McKenna, Colgate, Lafayette, NEU, NYU, Pomona, UChicago, Vanderbilt

Emory and Rice and Wake

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Anonymous wrote:surprising to see Cornell back then compared to now is still similar amount of students in top 10% in class rank ~86%

Hopkins and Chicago currently at 97%+. Back in 2017, Hopkins and Chicago were both higher than Cornell too.

I think the public parts of Cornell are probably a bit less competitive than the private.

Cornell’s latest classs of 2028 now at 81% of class within top 10% (vs 98% at chicago and 99% at Hopkins) and 55% submitting test scores (similar to hopkins and chicago).

No reason for class rank percent to be that low state side or private. test scores already shown to be lower

How is that class rank stat even possible? Chicago takes over 2% of its class from private high schools that don’t rank.

only students that have class rank are included in that percentage

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell if they’re really stupid.

Otherwise, great colleges that are the top in the United States.

The hateful comment isn't necessary.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

They go to some other school and do great.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

If they got rejected not deferred they are more likely to end up getting no T20s. If they are deferred and also have the hardest courses and are close to the top of the class, 1550+ just 1500, we know 1-2 each year who get in to at least one ivy/top10 in RD after deferral from a different one in Early round

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Anonymous wrote:surprising to see Cornell back then compared to now is still similar amount of students in top 10% in class rank ~86%

Hopkins and Chicago currently at 97%+. Back in 2017, Hopkins and Chicago were both higher than Cornell too.

I think the public parts of Cornell are probably a bit less competitive than the private.

. Yes , yes they are. It drags down the student body somewhat and makes it more on par with UVA or Michigan