Where do top students who got rejected early from Ivy/T10 land?

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Many kids primarily attend ED2 schools through ED2 or RD. Also, many end up at state flagship universities.

This is what I observe with top students these days, which explains why the caliber of students is not so different from that of Ivy League schools and other institutions we often discuss on this board.

The concentration of elites is no longer centralized, and talent is everywhere.

I also notice that preferred schools vary by region, making school rankings seem pointless.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Many kids primarily attend ED2 schools through ED2 or RD. Also, many end up at state flagship universities.

This is what I observe with top students these days, which explains why the caliber of students is not so different from that of Ivy League schools and other institutions we often discuss on this board.

The concentration of elites is no longer centralized, and talent is everywhere.

Will start to be concentrated again when the demographic cliff hits

Demographic cliff probably won’t be too noticeable in top 25. At most it looks like a 15 pct decline over many years from peak levels (now). But you have demand growth in top 25 from greater affluence, awareness and aid. Plus they can backfill with international growth. It will still be impossible to get into t10 but maybe starts to get a little less intense tier 2 and tier 3. Need aware schools may lean more heavily on full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Did your kid not put together a solid list of schools to apply to should the ED not work out?

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Many kids primarily attend ED2 schools through ED2 or RD. Also, many end up at state flagship universities.

This is what I observe with top students these days, which explains why the caliber of students is not so different from that of Ivy League schools and other institutions we often discuss on this board.

The concentration of elites is no longer centralized, and talent is everywhere.

Will start to be concentrated again when the demographic cliff hits

Demographic cliff probably won’t be too noticeable in top 25. At most it looks like a 15 pct decline over many years from peak levels (now). But you have demand growth in top 25 from greater affluence, awareness and aid. Plus they can backfill with international growth. It will still be impossible to get into t10 but maybe starts to get a little less intense tier 2 and tier 3. Need aware schools may lean more heavily on full pay.

Yeah- but that along WITH test scores coming back will certainly be a boost to kids with merit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Many kids primarily attend ED2 schools through ED2 or RD. Also, many end up at state flagship universities.

This is what I observe with top students these days, which explains why the caliber of students is not so different from that of Ivy League schools and other institutions we often discuss on this board.

The concentration of elites is no longer centralized, and talent is everywhere.

Will start to be concentrated again when the demographic cliff hits

Demographic cliff probably won’t be too noticeable in top 25. At most it looks like a 15 pct decline over many years from peak levels (now). But you have demand growth in top 25 from greater affluence, awareness and aid. Plus they can backfill with international growth. It will still be impossible to get into t10 but maybe starts to get a little less intense tier 2 and tier 3. Need aware schools may lean more heavily on full pay.

Yeah- but that along WITH test scores coming back will certainly be a boost to kids with merit.

DP. Do you mean merit aid? Or are you equating merit with test scores and suggesting that your kid's odds will be better because of test scores? If the latter, then no. The kids who aren't applying were not getting in previously either. Very few kids get into these schools TO. Testing is not the "merit" many here want to think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think feeder schools are working well at all this year. My kid goes to one in DC and we know others in NYC and results at the elite universities are way down this year. Tons of deferrals. The pool of schools that the elite colleges are taking kids from is wider each year.

OP, I have a kid in a similar spot and I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. If prestige is important to you I would 100% take the Chicago spot. That is what our college counselor advised as well. my kid is not (she is fine with a school ranked 40).

Disagree with this 100%. OP's kid is clearly a standout (Yale only defers maybe 15% of applicants). If your kid isn't in love with Chicago, don't do it. They WILL have other amazing options. Worst case Cornell, Georgetown, or Duke (hardly a worst case...).

FWIW I have a kid w similar stats who did ED1 Chicago and will go there in the fall. In a best case scenario he would have loved to take a shot at Penn and Yale but he genuinely loved Chicago too. So it made sense to take the bird in the hand, and he's thrilled to be done. But if he hadn't loved Chicago, we wouldn't have done ED for the prestige.

LOL you’re talking like OP’s kid will just get accepted to Duke, Duke is pretty much as selective as Yale these days

Or here. In our school probably 80% of the super high stats kids who get shut out of HYPSM land at Duke, Georgetown, or Cornell. But you're right that 20% don't. So that's a risk you take if you don't do a safer ED2. Personally I think it's worth taking that risk. Real worst case, your kid goes to a state school for a year and transfers to Ivy.

Transferring to an Ivy is not easy.

Transfer acceptance rates at four-year colleges can range from less than 1% at Ivy League universities to more than 80% at some public institutions.

Transfer rates:
Princeton University 3.1%
Dartmouth College 1.6%
Yale University 1.2%
Harvard University <1%

Columbia is much easier…

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Many kids primarily attend ED2 schools through ED2 or RD. Also, many end up at state flagship universities.

This is what I observe with top students these days, which explains why the caliber of students is not so different from that of Ivy League schools and other institutions we often discuss on this board.

The concentration of elites is no longer centralized, and talent is everywhere.

Will start to be concentrated again when the demographic cliff hits

Demographic cliff probably won’t be too noticeable in top 25. At most it looks like a 15 pct decline over many years from peak levels (now). But you have demand growth in top 25 from greater affluence, awareness and aid. Plus they can backfill with international growth. It will still be impossible to get into t10 but maybe starts to get a little less intense tier 2 and tier 3. Need aware schools may lean more heavily on full pay.

Yeah- but that along WITH test scores coming back will certainly be a boost to kids with merit.

DP. Do you mean merit aid? Or are you equating merit with test scores and suggesting that your kid's odds will be better because of test scores? If the latter, then no. The kids who aren't applying were not getting in previously either. Very few kids get into these schools TO. Testing is not the "merit" many here want to think it is.

DP. They will be. Schools that went back to scores are showing 1,000+ less applicants ED.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Many kids primarily attend ED2 schools through ED2 or RD. Also, many end up at state flagship universities.

This is what I observe with top students these days, which explains why the caliber of students is not so different from that of Ivy League schools and other institutions we often discuss on this board.

The concentration of elites is no longer centralized, and talent is everywhere.

Will start to be concentrated again when the demographic cliff hits

Demographic cliff probably won’t be too noticeable in top 25. At most it looks like a 15 pct decline over many years from peak levels (now). But you have demand growth in top 25 from greater affluence, awareness and aid. Plus they can backfill with international growth. It will still be impossible to get into t10 but maybe starts to get a little less intense tier 2 and tier 3. Need aware schools may lean more heavily on full pay.

Yeah- but that along WITH test scores coming back will certainly be a boost to kids with merit.

DP. Do you mean merit aid? Or are you equating merit with test scores and suggesting that your kid's odds will be better because of test scores? If the latter, then no. The kids who aren't applying were not getting in previously either. Very few kids get into these schools TO. Testing is not the "merit" many here want to think it is.

DP. They will be. Schools that went back to scores are showing 1,000+ less applicants ED.

You didn't understand me. Those people weren't getting in unless hooked. The only people this really benefits is legacy. Lots of those with lots of parental money/support and test required may make a difference there. The unhooked were largely not getting in TO already, so the odds aren't really getting better. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Which ED 2 schools has a strong business program?

UChicago>NYU>Emory>Vandy>WashU
In that order

Don't think uchicago has undergraduate business program

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which ED 2 schools has a strong business program?

UChicago>NYU>Emory>Vandy>WashU
In that order

Don't think uchicago has undergraduate business program

The order doesn’t really resonate with me. I think they are all basically comparable and one should consider other variables about the schools if fortunate enough to be able to choose among them.

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Anonymous wrote:Which ED 2 schools has a strong business program?

UChicago>NYU>Emory>Vandy>WashU
In that order

Don't think uchicago has undergraduate business program

True. But I was assuming one would study econ instead.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which ED 2 schools has a strong business program?

UChicago>NYU>Emory>Vandy>WashU
In that order

Don't think uchicago has undergraduate business program

The order doesn’t really resonate with me. I think they are all basically comparable and one should consider other variables about the schools if fortunate enough to be able to choose among them.

I was assuming the student wants do IB or consulting.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which ED 2 schools has a strong business program?

UChicago>NYU>Emory>Vandy>WashU
In that order

Don't think uchicago has undergraduate business program

The order doesn’t really resonate with me. I think they are all basically comparable and one should consider other variables about the schools if fortunate enough to be able to choose among them.

I was assuming the student wants do IB or consulting.

On what basis do you arrive at this order?

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about applicants who have the academic stats (1500+, 4.0+, high rigor) but didn't make the cut. Unhooked. What typically happens to them?

Other Ivies! Yes hang in there! Know several that were admitted to other ones regular decision.

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