Where do top students who got rejected early from Ivy/T10 land?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think feeder schools are working well at all this year. My kid goes to one in DC and we know others in NYC and results at the elite universities are way down this year. Tons of deferrals. The pool of schools that the elite colleges are taking kids from is wider each year.

OP, I have a kid in a similar spot and I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. If prestige is important to you I would 100% take the Chicago spot. That is what our college counselor advised as well. my kid is not (she is fine with a school ranked 40).

Disagree with this 100%. OP's kid is clearly a standout (Yale only defers maybe 15% of applicants). If your kid isn't in love with Chicago, don't do it. They WILL have other amazing options. Worst case Cornell, Georgetown, or Duke (hardly a worst case...).

FWIW I have a kid w similar stats who did ED1 Chicago and will go there in the fall. In a best case scenario he would have loved to take a shot at Penn and Yale but he genuinely loved Chicago too. So it made sense to take the bird in the hand, and he's thrilled to be done. But if he hadn't loved Chicago, we wouldn't have done ED for the prestige.

LOL you’re talking like OP’s kid will just get accepted to Duke, Duke is pretty much as selective as Yale these days

Or here. In our school probably 80% of the super high stats kids who get shut out of HYPSM land at Duke, Georgetown, or Cornell. But you're right that 20% don't. So that's a risk you take if you don't do a safer ED2. Personally I think it's worth taking that risk. Real worst case, your kid goes to a state school for a year and transfers to Ivy.

Transferring to an Ivy is not easy.

Transfer acceptance rates at four-year colleges can range from less than 1% at Ivy League universities to more than 80% at some public institutions.

Transfer rates:
Princeton University 3.1%
Dartmouth College 1.6%
Yale University 1.2%
Harvard University <1%

Columbia is 52.5%

This can’t be right- please show your source for Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think feeder schools are working well at all this year. My kid goes to one in DC and we know others in NYC and results at the elite universities are way down this year. Tons of deferrals. The pool of schools that the elite colleges are taking kids from is wider each year.

OP, I have a kid in a similar spot and I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. If prestige is important to you I would 100% take the Chicago spot. That is what our college counselor advised as well. my kid is not (she is fine with a school ranked 40).

Disagree with this 100%. OP's kid is clearly a standout (Yale only defers maybe 15% of applicants). If your kid isn't in love with Chicago, don't do it. They WILL have other amazing options. Worst case Cornell, Georgetown, or Duke (hardly a worst case...).

FWIW I have a kid w similar stats who did ED1 Chicago and will go there in the fall. In a best case scenario he would have loved to take a shot at Penn and Yale but he genuinely loved Chicago too. So it made sense to take the bird in the hand, and he's thrilled to be done. But if he hadn't loved Chicago, we wouldn't have done ED for the prestige.

LOL you’re talking like OP’s kid will just get accepted to Duke, Duke is pretty much as selective as Yale these days

Or here. In our school probably 80% of the super high stats kids who get shut out of HYPSM land at Duke, Georgetown, or Cornell. But you're right that 20% don't. So that's a risk you take if you don't do a safer ED2. Personally I think it's worth taking that risk. Real worst case, your kid goes to a state school for a year and transfers to Ivy.

Transferring to an Ivy is not easy.

Transfer acceptance rates at four-year colleges can range from less than 1% at Ivy League universities to more than 80% at some public institutions.

Transfer rates:
Princeton University 3.1%
Dartmouth College 1.6%
Yale University 1.2%
Harvard University <1%

Columbia is 52.5%

This can’t be right- please show your source for Columbia.

Different poster.

Columbia College / Columbia Engineering
3,254 applied
329 admitted
10%

Columbia General Studies
1,299 applied
682 admitted
53%

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What is Columbia General Studies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

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Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

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Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

except you do get a degree that’s indistinguishable from columbia college (both are given in latin now). Only the transcript might indicate columbia college.

harvard’s program is just a certificate not a degree. harvard extension might be a more apt comparison.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

The Harvard extension school: https://extension.harvard.edu/academics/programs/bachelor-of-liberal-arts-degree-program/#stackable-pathways

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Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

except you do get a degree that’s indistinguishable from columbia college (both are given in latin now). Only the transcript might indicate columbia college.

harvard’s program is just a certificate not a degree. harvard extension might be a more apt comparison.

So it’s basically selling a counterfeit degree to middle aged people.

Columbia never ceases to disappoint me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

Columbia General Studies is not really a "backdoor" because it is for a different type of student.

3/2 engineering program can be a back door from admissions perspective. But you still do the hard classes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

You are an idiot. That FAKE degree is a Columbia Degree. Students take classes alongside every other Columbia College of Sciences and Engineering students. THIS IS NOTHING like the BS HBS executive diploma mill….. I’m an MD at a top IB in NYC. I have 4 Columbia “kids” working in my division. 2 Columbia College, 1 GS and 1 Dual BA with SciencePo. The top performing associate is a the Dual BA Columbia/Science Po and the second one is the other GS kid……Don’t be an idiot spreading fake information here…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

You are an idiot. That FAKE degree is a Columbia Degree. Students take classes alongside every other Columbia College of Sciences and Engineering students. THIS IS NOTHING like the BS HBS executive diploma mill….. I’m an MD at a top IB in NYC. I have 4 Columbia “kids” working in my division. 2 Columbia College, 1 GS and 1 Dual BA with SciencePo. The top performing associate is a the Dual BA Columbia/Science Po and the second one is the other GS kid……Don’t be an idiot spreading fake information here…

Are the admission standards nearly as high for GS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

You are an idiot. That FAKE degree is a Columbia Degree. Students take classes alongside every other Columbia College of Sciences and Engineering students. THIS IS NOTHING like the BS HBS executive diploma mill….. I’m an MD at a top IB in NYC. I have 4 Columbia “kids” working in my division. 2 Columbia College, 1 GS and 1 Dual BA with SciencePo. The top performing associate is a the Dual BA Columbia/Science Po and the second one is the other GS kid……Don’t be an idiot spreading fake information here…

Are the admission standards nearly as high for GS?

I have no idea and as a the guy making the final hiring decisions here, i dont care. All I care is performance. And whether you like it or not, my experience with these kids have been great, if not better than the experience I have had with the CC kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

You are an idiot. That FAKE degree is a Columbia Degree. Students take classes alongside every other Columbia College of Sciences and Engineering students. THIS IS NOTHING like the BS HBS executive diploma mill….. I’m an MD at a top IB in NYC. I have 4 Columbia “kids” working in my division. 2 Columbia College, 1 GS and 1 Dual BA with SciencePo. The top performing associate is a the Dual BA Columbia/Science Po and the second one is the other GS kid……Don’t be an idiot spreading fake information here…

Are the admission standards nearly as high for GS?

I have no idea and as a the guy making the final hiring decisions here, i dont care. All I care is performance. And whether you like it or not, my experience with these kids have been great, if not better than the experience I have had with the CC kids.

The truth is, a Baruch kid might be even better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Columbia General Studies?

it's a non traditional degree program usually for older students or ex military. Not the same as columbia college although similar classes. Your classmates and social scene (dorms etc) will be older so not exactly ideal.

Think of it as a backdoor to columbia. Other ivy backdoors include the dual bachelor degree stem program agreements ivies have with certain SLACs (Reed college with Columbia Engineering, Mt. Holyoke with dartmouth, bates with dartmouth and columbia, or davidson with the same schools) - less competitive admissions to get in where you get degrees from the SLACs and the ivy engineering school with time on both campuses.

That is a generous comparison. It’s basically a fake degree so Columbia can make money. The students are mediocre. I guess the goal is to be able to pass off that you “went to Columbia” and perhaps most of the time no one follows up. Reminds me of those 4 week Harvard Business executive things people with shitty educational pedigrees like to throw on their resume.

You are an idiot. That FAKE degree is a Columbia Degree. Students take classes alongside every other Columbia College of Sciences and Engineering students. THIS IS NOTHING like the BS HBS executive diploma mill….. I’m an MD at a top IB in NYC. I have 4 Columbia “kids” working in my division. 2 Columbia College, 1 GS and 1 Dual BA with SciencePo. The top performing associate is a the Dual BA Columbia/Science Po and the second one is the other GS kid……Don’t be an idiot spreading fake information here…

Are the admission standards nearly as high for GS?

I have no idea and as a the guy making the final hiring decisions here, i dont care. All I care is performance. And whether you like it or not, my experience with these kids have been great, if not better than the experience I have had with the CC kids.

The truth is, a Baruch kid might be even better.

Maybe so, but I have not seen one Baruch kid apply…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think feeder schools are working well at all this year. My kid goes to one in DC and we know others in NYC and results at the elite universities are way down this year. Tons of deferrals. The pool of schools that the elite colleges are taking kids from is wider each year.

OP, I have a kid in a similar spot and I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. If prestige is important to you I would 100% take the Chicago spot. That is what our college counselor advised as well. my kid is not (she is fine with a school ranked 40).

Disagree with this 100%. OP's kid is clearly a standout (Yale only defers maybe 15% of applicants). If your kid isn't in love with Chicago, don't do it. They WILL have other amazing options. Worst case Cornell, Georgetown, or Duke (hardly a worst case...).

FWIW I have a kid w similar stats who did ED1 Chicago and will go there in the fall. In a best case scenario he would have loved to take a shot at Penn and Yale but he genuinely loved Chicago too. So it made sense to take the bird in the hand, and he's thrilled to be done. But if he hadn't loved Chicago, we wouldn't have done ED for the prestige.

LOL you’re talking like OP’s kid will just get accepted to Duke, Duke is pretty much as selective as Yale these days

Or here. In our school probably 80% of the super high stats kids who get shut out of HYPSM land at Duke, Georgetown, or Cornell. But you're right that 20% don't. So that's a risk you take if you don't do a safer ED2. Personally I think it's worth taking that risk. Real worst case, your kid goes to a state school for a year and transfers to Ivy.

Transferring to an Ivy is not easy.

Transfer acceptance rates at four-year colleges can range from less than 1% at Ivy League universities to more than 80% at some public institutions.

Transfer rates:
Princeton University 3.1%
Dartmouth College 1.6%
Yale University 1.2%
Harvard University <1%

Columbia is 52.5%

This can’t be right- please show your source for Columbia.

It's not right. That figure is for Columbia's professional/non traditional General Studies college. Regular admittance to Columbia is under 4%