How to know a college is safe for POC

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Anonymous wrote:DC is interested in a top LAC, but, after checking the CDS, there were only 22 black students in a class of 436 accepted this most recent cycle- 1/3 of past cycles.

DS currently goes to a boarding school that isn’t racist, but he also wouldn’t call tolerant. He was really hoping to be able to go to a college of his choice but also find community, so this has been very disappointing. Should we throw in the towel?

It's an interesting question. In fairness though, most straight white non-athlete males aren't finding their community in SLACs these days either. Nor are most Asian-Americans. Or Latinos. It's not just smart young black folks.

Post Supreme Court decision, my very subjective and non-scientific feel is that really bright black students are valuing the south and south-midwest a lot more - Duke, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, Emory, WashU, Georgetown. As well as HYP.

MIT and Northwestern are where the top 2 blacks kids at our school went last year.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

Well, again, what does OP want? An academic match or tons of black students (who graduate)?

https://www.diverseeducation.com/opinion/article/15093198/30-best-us-non-hbcu-schools-for-minorities

No one said tons of black students. The fact that more than 22 is being spun to be an egregious sum is ridiculous.

This data is a few years old, but only 10.4% of bachelors degrees awarded in 2021-22 were awarded to black students so the vast majority of schools don;t have huge black populations as they are underrepresented in college compared to the total population. Even a big southern public like UGA is 7.6% black.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1243063.page#28913879

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Sorry posted the wrong link.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

Well, again, what does OP want? An academic match or tons of black students (who graduate)?

https://www.diverseeducation.com/opinion/article/15093198/30-best-us-non-hbcu-schools-for-minorities

No one said tons of black students. The fact that more than 22 is being spun to be an egregious sum is ridiculous.

This data is a few years old, but only 10.4% of bachelors degrees awarded in 2021-22 were awarded to black students so the vast majority of schools don;t have huge black populations as they are underrepresented in college compared to the total population. Even a big southern public like UGA is 7.6% black.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1243063.page#28913879

10% of 430 is about 43 per class. That would be nearly double the current students represented at Pomona and only 2/3 of its population prior to AA. That will shift your experience. Currently Pomona is sitting at a 5% black student population. That’s pretty abysmal across all top colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

Well, again, what does OP want? An academic match or tons of black students (who graduate)?

https://www.diverseeducation.com/opinion/article/15093198/30-best-us-non-hbcu-schools-for-minorities

No one said tons of black students. The fact that more than 22 is being spun to be an egregious sum is ridiculous.

This data is a few years old, but only 10.4% of bachelors degrees awarded in 2021-22 were awarded to black students so the vast majority of schools don;t have huge black populations as they are underrepresented in college compared to the total population. Even a big southern public like UGA is 7.6% black.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1243063.page#28913879

Is 7% at Uga not massive? People, why are we talking like most universities are the size of Pomona-a medium high school size. There’s a big difference being a minority with 100s of you around versus 10s.

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Just tell your son not to go to a lac. Most other colleges will serve him very well. It’s lacs like Pomona, Amherst, W&L, etc struggling to get black talent, not universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

Well, again, what does OP want? An academic match or tons of black students (who graduate)?

https://www.diverseeducation.com/opinion/article/15093198/30-best-us-non-hbcu-schools-for-minorities

No one said tons of black students. The fact that more than 22 is being spun to be an egregious sum is ridiculous.

This data is a few years old, but only 10.4% of bachelors degrees awarded in 2021-22 were awarded to black students so the vast majority of schools don;t have huge black populations as they are underrepresented in college compared to the total population. Even a big southern public like UGA is 7.6% black.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1243063.page#28913879

Is 7% at Uga not massive? People, why are we talking like most universities are the size of Pomona-a medium high school size. There’s a big difference being a minority with 100s of you around versus 10s.

Guys, this is self-selecting.

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With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

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Anonymous wrote:With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

No one's defending them. A few people pointed out they exist, and when OP said her child is too good for them, people took issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

Well, again, what does OP want? An academic match or tons of black students (who graduate)?

https://www.diverseeducation.com/opinion/article/15093198/30-best-us-non-hbcu-schools-for-minorities

No one said tons of black students. The fact that more than 22 is being spun to be an egregious sum is ridiculous.

This data is a few years old, but only 10.4% of bachelors degrees awarded in 2021-22 were awarded to black students so the vast majority of schools don;t have huge black populations as they are underrepresented in college compared to the total population. Even a big southern public like UGA is 7.6% black.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1243063.page#28913879

10% of 430 is about 43 per class. That would be nearly double the current students represented at Pomona and only 2/3 of its population prior to AA. That will shift your experience. Currently Pomona is sitting at a 5% black student population. That’s pretty abysmal across all top colleges.

There are only so many top black students to go around. The west coast has less African Americans in general (LA county is only 10% Black and California is only 6% Black) and most kids don’t move across the country for college and stay at least in the same region.

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Anonymous wrote:With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

No one's defending them. A few people pointed out they exist, and when OP said her child is too good for them, people took issue.

Why?
Howard:
Average SAT Composite 1184
Average ACT Composite 24
Their 4 year graduation rate is 52%, which is the best amongst coed hbcus in the entire nation. The students had to sleep and protest in tents because their dorms had mold. They’ve had many financial aid scandals. What about any of this screams to everyone that this is where OP’s son has to go and him being clearly above the standards here is offensive? Mind you, this is at the best HBCU.

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Anonymous wrote:With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

Not all of them are, but the networking opportunities at the large ones (Howard, Florida A&M, NC A&T, Morehouse/Spelman) are immaculate.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is interested in a top LAC, but, after checking the CDS, there were only 22 black students in a class of 436 accepted this most recent cycle- 1/3 of past cycles.

DS currently goes to a boarding school that isn’t racist, but he also wouldn’t call tolerant. He was really hoping to be able to go to a college of his choice but also find community, so this has been very disappointing. Should we throw in the towel?

It's an interesting question. In fairness though, most straight white non-athlete males aren't finding their community in SLACs these days either. Nor are most Asian-Americans. Or Latinos. It's not just smart young black folks.

Post Supreme Court decision, my very subjective and non-scientific feel is that really bright black students are valuing the south and south-midwest a lot more - Duke, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, Emory, WashU, Georgetown. As well as HYP.

MIT and Northwestern are where the top 2 blacks kids at our school went last year.

Just eyeballing the data, the percentage of Black students at NU (15%) seems really high in comparison to a lot of other elite schools! Plus, the Chicago area has a very rich Black culture. Northwestern is obviously not a LAC, but could be a school to consider...

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Anonymous wrote:With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

No one's defending them. A few people pointed out they exist, and when OP said her child is too good for them, people took issue.

Where did OP say her child is too good for HBCUs?

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Anonymous wrote:With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

No one's defending them. A few people pointed out they exist, and when OP said her child is too good for them, people took issue.

Why?
Howard:
Average SAT Composite 1184
Average ACT Composite 24
Their 4 year graduation rate is 52%, which is the best amongst coed hbcus in the entire nation. The students had to sleep and protest in tents because their dorms had mold. They’ve had many financial aid scandals. What about any of this screams to everyone that this is where OP’s son has to go and him being clearly above the standards here is offensive? Mind you, this is at the best HBCU.

Then she has to decide what her priories are, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING.