How to know a college is safe for POC

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

If top black students don't go to HBCUS (and obviously they have a right to go to the best schools they worked hard for) then is it only for mediocre students? How can they attract top students? Do they offer large merit scholarships to non black top students?

Just like most other universities, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

+1. I’m confused by OP - black students are a minority, so if the goal is to have more black students around then HBCUs are a great option. Or just search for schools by percentage of black students.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

nobody said that …

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

+1. I’m confused by OP - black students are a minority, so if the goal is to have more black students around then HBCUs are a great option. Or just search for schools by percentage of black students.

Are you people reading this thread? OP said there is only 22 black students in the Pomona class, not that there aren't 400 black students in the Pomona class. They just want a bit better representation than 5% which is very obtainable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

+1. I’m confused by OP - black students are a minority, so if the goal is to have more black students around then HBCUs are a great option. Or just search for schools by percentage of black students.

Are you people reading this thread? OP said there is only 22 black students in the Pomona class, not that there aren't 400 black students in the Pomona class. They just want a bit better representation than 5% which is very obtainable.

that’s fine, but no need to take offense at the very logical suggestion of considering an HBCU.

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Obviously not what she wants, but West Point usually runs between 10-15% black.

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So interesting how people think Racism has all but disappeared at these small LACs, which have been known amongst black families for their intolerance:https://williamsrecord.com/468201/opinions/the-colleges-response-to-anti-black-violence-is-inadequate/. Many LACs are struggling to clean up their appearance of inclusivity after years of being playgrounds for boarding school children.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

+1. I’m confused by OP - black students are a minority, so if the goal is to have more black students around then HBCUs are a great option. Or just search for schools by percentage of black students.

Are you people reading this thread? OP said there is only 22 black students in the Pomona class, not that there aren't 400 black students in the Pomona class. They just want a bit better representation than 5% which is very obtainable.

that’s fine, but no need to take offense at the very logical suggestion of considering an HBCU.

It's not a very bright reaction. "I'm worried about my son not finding peers at an LAC." Your response: WHY DOESN'T HE JUST GO TO HAMPDEN SYDNEY

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

So what? Most of the top schools are not a "good academic match" for the affirmative action black students there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People here are being purposely obtuse. OP, it is a valid concern that your son may not fit in, and he’s clearly bright and should be challenged by peers at his academic level. Follow the suggestions for colleges like Duke and vandy who attract black students and don’t force your child to go to an hbcu if they don’t want to.

Also find black parent forums. This one less than a year ago wanted people like yours systematically rejected from higher Ed and their nasty attitudes come out every time a black parent asks a question.

Why is a 1580 black student clearly bright but don't know anything about a 1580 asian student because...holistic

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

And the 1400 black student isn't an academic match for harvard... or really any ivy+

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

Well, again, what does OP want? An academic match or tons of black students (who graduate)?

https://www.diverseeducation.com/opinion/article/15093198/30-best-us-non-hbcu-schools-for-minorities

4 HBCUs Howard Spelman Morehouse and Xavier produce more law students and more med students than the entire ivy league combined.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

No one's defending them. A few people pointed out they exist, and when OP said her child is too good for them, people took issue.

Where did OP say her child is too good for HBCUs?

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student."

Where did OP say her child is too good for HBCUs?

DP.

Where they say "No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids apply and go to colleges they wish to attend. There are multiple efforts to reach out to various communities to entice them to apply and attend. Nevertheless, as your son illustrates, people generally want to be with people who look and act like themselves.

Has your son considered HBCUs? If that's his primary focus, there might be a good fit there. Otherwise, he may need to expand his search and look at data to decide whether there is enough of a critical mass of people like him to make him wish to attend. You only mention one school--I'm quite sure there are others with data more to your liking.

I wish him the best in his search.

No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor. Hbcus are great, but it’s annoying that it’s assumed black students will just walk to one.

You want more black people for him but then put HBCU’s down because he is too good for them academically.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

There’s more than a handful of talented black students. The assumption that all the black talent is at HBCUs is just lazy, blatant racism.

"No he hasn’t considered hbcus, because he is a top student. He has a 1580 and great course rigor."

Um, who are you calling racist, exactly? OP wants a college where her child won't stick out racially, but won't consider Ft. Valley State with its 92% black student body because her 1580 child is too good for it. Sounds like she's the one with preconceived notions.

…Because he is a pretty good student. I’m confused on what’s being argued. It’s just factual that the average 1500 student isn’t an academic match at Ft Valley state.

Or really, any HBCU.

Well, again, what does OP want? An academic match or tons of black students (who graduate)?

https://www.diverseeducation.com/opinion/article/15093198/30-best-us-non-hbcu-schools-for-minorities

No one said tons of black students. The fact that more than 22 is being spun to be an egregious sum is ridiculous.

This data is a few years old, but only 10.4% of bachelors degrees awarded in 2021-22 were awarded to black students so the vast majority of schools don;t have huge black populations as they are underrepresented in college compared to the total population. Even a big southern public like UGA is 7.6% black.


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1243063.page#28913879

10% of 430 is about 43 per class. That would be nearly double the current students represented at Pomona and only 2/3 of its population prior to AA. That will shift your experience. Currently Pomona is sitting at a 5% black student population. That’s pretty abysmal across all top colleges.

Come on, people. The 5% (22 black students) is just for Pomona's class of 2028. Pomona's class of 2027 had 14% black students, the class of 2026 had 15.5% black students, and the class of 2025 had 12%. Pomona's current overall black population is much more than 10%.

As long as we're talking numbers, most people here seem to be assuming that the 5% for Pomona's class of 2028 will remain constant for the next few cycles. I am skeptical that schools that showed a fairly strong commitment to attracting black students previously won't find a way to rebound in future cycles. This was just the first cycle of post-SFFA results. I'd wager that Pomona's class of 2029 will be close to 10%.

Or other schools will drift down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With the way parents are defending hbcus, you’d think there’d be more white kids at these schools! I didn’t know they were so elite

No one's defending them. A few people pointed out they exist, and when OP said her child is too good for them, people took issue.

Why?
Howard:
Average SAT Composite 1184
Average ACT Composite 24
Their 4 year graduation rate is 52%, which is the best amongst coed hbcus in the entire nation. The students had to sleep and protest in tents because their dorms had mold. They’ve had many financial aid scandals. What about any of this screams to everyone that this is where OP’s son has to go and him being clearly above the standards here is offensive? Mind you, this is at the best HBCU.

There are very few Black families that can pay the full price at Howard as well as the high cost of living, most of the drop outs are from cost. It is difficult to get students when you are competing with ivies that meet 100% need and cheaper state schools. Low income students go where they get the most scholarship money.

Back when they were having the NCAA was contemplating NILs. I thought they should have allowed HBCUs to use NILs as a pilot program.