Is this an endorsement of misogyny or a reaction to feminism on some level?

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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant woman who voted for Trump. You white liberal women are crazy and tone-deaf. You don't understand nor live in reality. It's not misogyny or inflation. It's the simple fact that we're here to build a better life for our children and ourselves. You are not. You have ruined the normal merit-based function of a society. White supremacy indeed, just listen to yourself. We're fed up with your nepo sh*t, DEI of incompetence (just look at Kamala), trans in women sports, endless stream of illegals who reduce wages and crowd out schools, housing, medical care. You literally got everything wrong. There is a reason why young people voted for Trump and the reason is that they want to live a peaceful life, earn a normal living being able to afford a house and family, and not participate in your endless wars.

LOL. Do you think that white women didn't also build the country that you immigrated to? You chose to live here. Something must have gone right in the past here from our parents and grandparents for you to be inspired to move. We have spent years trying to get our families integrated with yours all over the nation and bringing states together for a unified America even going through a civil war to unite everyone under the same rights all while improving the safety and industriousness and livability of the country. Now you have the nerve to say we should have pushed immigrants and possibly disenfranchised blacks to the curb all along into a ghetto because we were more prosperous and that somehow as an immigrant you know more about this country and how to build it than the families that have been here for generations? That somehow a hierarchical class system that has kept the majority of people poor in your home nation and was what we tried to avoid here when leaving England is the better way to go? Go back to your own country if you think you did it so well. Why couldn't you implement prosperity there? The one thing Trump got right was that Americans know how to build America better than people from other countries that aren't doing very well and we shouldn't be flooding our country with people who come here and want to live a life without integration. The one thing educated white American women can agree on with Trump is that we don't need other women of failing cultures coming in and telling us how America should be and drowning out our own voices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s economic plain and simple. People vote with their wallets. If a female candidate can put more money in all of our pockets, we would vote for the female. The Democrats think they can win on issues but when it comes right down to it, people care about their finances and that’s the bottom line.

Inflation is a global issue. Interest rates are set by the Fed, which is an independent agency. Dems do not control the economy. There were factors during the past 4 years outside of anyone’s control (e.g. supply chain issues and job losses due to COVID). And to the extent politicians can influence the economy, tariffs are not the way to make groceries or housing or education more affordable for the average American.

I agree that people care more about their wallets than the rights of others. But the sad thing is they’ve made a deal with the devil that isn’t even going to help them put food on the table. Do you really think billionaires like Trump and his supporters like Musk actually give a rat’s @$$ about some woman with 5 kids and a 7th grade education being able to afford eggs and gas?

Trump is a manipulator out for his own ego. There is a reason he won with the low information and less educated voters in this country. I’m sure at least half his base couldn’t even explain what the 3 branches of government do.

[Anonymous]

Politicians, economists and others often use GDP and its per capita counterpart as a good proxy for the economy. And it is. They also look at other figures such as job creation and unemployment rate to comment on the current state of the economy. Every now and then you also read articles in the media about 401k millionaires. These articles talk about averages as opposed to median to conclude people are on track doing well.

In the real world its a different story. We need to go beyond GDP and rosy job creation and unemployment figures to report on the millions of Americans who are STRUGGLING. These peoples' lives are not captured by GDP or the unemployment rate. These people are employed but severely underpaid with poor health insurance, not enough disposable income and poor job projects due to globalization about rapid advance in technology. The gain in productivity has not translated in higher salary for all.

People were really hit hard by inflation, rent increase, low pay etc.

Mr Trump is a salesman. Good salespeople identify your problem and swear up and down they have the solution to your problem. Sadly there is no easy solution for those millions of people at the bottom. And worse for them if the country is handed to over to wall street and big tech be ready for monopolies with its higher price, lack of data privacy, products such as drugs self driving cars rushed to the markets and on and on.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s economic plain and simple. People vote with their wallets. If a female candidate can put more money in all of our pockets, we would vote for the female. The Democrats think they can win on issues but when it comes right down to it, people care about their finances and that’s the bottom line.

Inflation is a global issue. Interest rates are set by the Fed, which is an independent agency. Dems do not control the economy. There were factors during the past 4 years outside of anyone’s control (e.g. supply chain issues and job losses due to COVID). And to the extent politicians can influence the economy, tariffs are not the way to make groceries or housing or education more affordable for the average American.

I agree that people care more about their wallets than the rights of others. But the sad thing is they’ve made a deal with the devil that isn’t even going to help them put food on the table. Do you really think billionaires like Trump and his supporters like Musk actually give a rat’s @$$ about some woman with 5 kids and a 7th grade education being able to afford eggs and gas?

Trump is a manipulator out for his own ego. There is a reason he won with the low information and less educated voters in this country. I’m sure at least half his base couldn’t even explain what the 3 branches of government do.

Gee, who wouldn’t be won over by that level of scorn? Maybe next election you could spit on them and see if it’s possible to alienate them further.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t vote for Kamala because I thought Kamala would be an embarrassment to the country and women everywhere if she became president. I want someone who isn’t a blathering idiot to be the standard by which we elect women into the top job of this country. Someone like Gretchen Whitmer, as an example.

I also don’t agree with electing someone into office that I didn’t vote for in a primary. That is so wrong on so many levels and shouldn’t be tolerated from either side. I’m glad we didn’t allow that in the end, if I’m being honest.

This was going to be a case of “history repeating itself” either way: they have both had ample opportunity do good in office, and they have both failed. But we had a choice to make between two idiots. With “history” in the back of my mind, the age old question of “are we better off today than we were four years ago” played a role in my decision making, and, well, no. I’m sorry, but no, we aren’t better.

I don’t like either, but I know what to expect from both. If history is going to repeat itself, then so be it.

It is disingenous to say you didn't want a "blathering idiot" or that you would have preferred Whitmer and then to be okay with Trump becoming president. Trump is a blathering idiot and Whitmer wasn't on the ballot. You had two choices. You either voted for Trump (wholly unqualified for the job due to his performance the first time and behavior since, plus older than Biden was when Biden took office) or you didn't vote for anyone thus enabling Trump to win.

If you voted for no one I just think you are derelict in your duty as a citizen. If you voted for Trump I think misogyny HAD to play a role because even if you think Harris is unqualified there is no way she is less qualifed than Trump. Objectively. He is a bad person. He's corrupt. He failed to protect the country on J6. And he's too old.

I don’t like blathering idiots from either gender, but when it comes to the first female president, I don’t want her to be a blathering idiot like the men. I want her to be better. So I chose the idiot man we can expect instead of the idiot woman, just because, when I know we can do better. And I hope we learn a lesson and do better in four years.

So by your own logic you voted for the stupid man rather than the stupid woman because the default is a stupid man is better than a stupid woman … the primary difference being their gender. Society can embrace a stupid person so long as they have a penis. Got it. No misogyny to see here.

I didn’t want Kamala Harris to be the basis by which we choose female presidents! That’s the best we can do?

I don’t have to keep explaining myself, I think the results speak for me. I’m sorry you’re upset today, truly. I hope we can do better the next time around.

Why would she be the standard by which we evaluate all female presidents? Do we judge all male presidents based on George Washington? No because that would be stupid.

Look you had a choice between two imperfect candidates and you chose the more imperfect male candidate because the female candidate was not your ideal. You are goign to have to justify and explain that one for the rest of your life in one capacity or another. Especially when the entire Supreme Court majority will have been selected by DONALD TRUMP and when democratic norms about government corruption and peaceful transfer of power disappear because you helped affirm that it is okay for a guy who behaves like this to be president again. All because Kamala Harris didn't match your dream of the ideal female candidate.

You're gonna wear this one.

Me and 72,000,000 other people. We will be ok and so will you. We will convene again in four years. Pick a better candidate next time.

[Anonymous]

It has zero to do with misogyny or feminism.

Immigration + inflation + anti DEI/cultural “woke” backlash

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s economic plain and simple. People vote with their wallets. If a female candidate can put more money in all of our pockets, we would vote for the female. The Democrats think they can win on issues but when it comes right down to it, people care about their finances and that’s the bottom line.

Inflation is a global issue. Interest rates are set by the Fed, which is an independent agency. Dems do not control the economy. There were factors during the past 4 years outside of anyone’s control (e.g. supply chain issues and job losses due to COVID). And to the extent politicians can influence the economy, tariffs are not the way to make groceries or housing or education more affordable for the average American.

I agree that people care more about their wallets than the rights of others. But the sad thing is they’ve made a deal with the devil that isn’t even going to help them put food on the table. Do you really think billionaires like Trump and his supporters like Musk actually give a rat’s @$$ about some woman with 5 kids and a 7th grade education being able to afford eggs and gas?

Trump is a manipulator out for his own ego. There is a reason he won with the low information and less educated voters in this country. I’m sure at least half his base couldn’t even explain what the 3 branches of government do.

Gee, who wouldn’t be won over by that level of scorn? Maybe next election you could spit on them and see if it’s possible to alienate them further.

Honestly I don’t care about alienating them. I have nothing in common with people who would vote for a man found civically liable for rape and who makes jokes about groping women. If I never interact with these people I’m no worse off.

I guess the silver lining is Trump seems to be ok letting the SALT cap expire and hopefully my retirement accounts will do well. He will probably end up benefitting the people who didn’t vote for him while his supporters continue to struggle. But they’ll be getting what they voted for so I’m not going to care what happens to them now if they don’t seem to care.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant woman who voted for Trump. You white liberal women are crazy and tone-deaf. You don't understand nor live in reality. It's not misogyny or inflation. It's the simple fact that we're here to build a better life for our children and ourselves. You are not. You have ruined the normal merit-based function of a society. White supremacy indeed, just listen to yourself. We're fed up with your nepo sh*t, DEI of incompetence (just look at Kamala), trans in women sports, endless stream of illegals who reduce wages and crowd out schools, housing, medical care. You literally got everything wrong. There is a reason why young people voted for Trump and the reason is that they want to live a peaceful life, earn a normal living being able to afford a house and family, and not participate in your endless wars.

LOL. Do you think that white women didn't also build the country that you immigrated to? You chose to live here. Something must have gone right in the past here from our parents and grandparents for you to be inspired to move. We have spent years trying to get our families integrated with yours all over the nation and bringing states together for a unified America even going through a civil war to unite everyone under the same rights all while improving the safety and industriousness and livability of the country. Now you have the nerve to say we should have pushed immigrants and possibly disenfranchised blacks to the curb all along into a ghetto because we were more prosperous and that somehow as an immigrant you know more about this country and how to build it than the families that have been here for generations? That somehow a hierarchical class system that has kept the majority of people poor in your home nation and was what we tried to avoid here when leaving England is the better way to go? Go back to your own country if you think you did it so well. Why couldn't you implement prosperity there? The one thing Trump got right was that Americans know how to build America better than people from other countries that aren't doing very well and we shouldn't be flooding our country with people who come here and want to live a life without integration. The one thing educated white American women can agree on with Trump is that we don't need other women of failing cultures coming in and telling us how America should be and drowning out our own voices.

I am a different immigrant woman and couldn't disagree with the one you are responding to more. Trump embodies everything that was wrong with the country I left. Nationalism, division, hatred of certain people, etc. I could go on and on. I am terrified that now I will have to once again live through hell that I left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant woman who voted for Trump. You white liberal women are crazy and tone-deaf. You don't understand nor live in reality. It's not misogyny or inflation. It's the simple fact that we're here to build a better life for our children and ourselves. You are not. You have ruined the normal merit-based function of a society. White supremacy indeed, just listen to yourself. We're fed up with your nepo sh*t, DEI of incompetence (just look at Kamala), trans in women sports, endless stream of illegals who reduce wages and crowd out schools, housing, medical care. You literally got everything wrong. There is a reason why young people voted for Trump and the reason is that they want to live a peaceful life, earn a normal living being able to afford a house and family, and not participate in your endless wars.

Stephen Miller is busy working on a plan to deport you as well…or did you miss that?

He is focused on getting rid of all the legal immigrants while others can focus on the illegals.

I actually am more in favor of deporting all the folks that are actually taking jobs from people vs the immigrants working in meatpacking factories or other jobs that nobody wants. You know…the workers we actually need.

That is his focus. First getting rid of all the H1 folks and then getting rid of you.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t vote for Kamala because I thought Kamala would be an embarrassment to the country and women everywhere if she became president. I want someone who isn’t a blathering idiot to be the standard by which we elect women into the top job of this country. Someone like Gretchen Whitmer, as an example.

I also don’t agree with electing someone into office that I didn’t vote for in a primary. That is so wrong on so many levels and shouldn’t be tolerated from either side. I’m glad we didn’t allow that in the end, if I’m being honest.

This was going to be a case of “history repeating itself” either way: they have both had ample opportunity do good in office, and they have both failed. But we had a choice to make between two idiots. With “history” in the back of my mind, the age old question of “are we better off today than we were four years ago” played a role in my decision making, and, well, no. I’m sorry, but no, we aren’t better.

I don’t like either, but I know what to expect from both. If history is going to repeat itself, then so be it.

It is disingenous to say you didn't want a "blathering idiot" or that you would have preferred Whitmer and then to be okay with Trump becoming president. Trump is a blathering idiot and Whitmer wasn't on the ballot. You had two choices. You either voted for Trump (wholly unqualified for the job due to his performance the first time and behavior since, plus older than Biden was when Biden took office) or you didn't vote for anyone thus enabling Trump to win.

If you voted for no one I just think you are derelict in your duty as a citizen. If you voted for Trump I think misogyny HAD to play a role because even if you think Harris is unqualified there is no way she is less qualifed than Trump. Objectively. He is a bad person. He's corrupt. He failed to protect the country on J6. And he's too old.

I voted for Harris but I think you're missing some of the reasons people voted for Trump and they don't have anything to do with misogyny. I know a few women who voted for Trump (a very small percentage of my friends did) and I wouldn't call any of them misogynists. They were just less bothered by the things that bother you (and that bother me) and cared more about other things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s economic plain and simple. People vote with their wallets. If a female candidate can put more money in all of our pockets, we would vote for the female. The Democrats think they can win on issues but when it comes right down to it, people care about their finances and that’s the bottom line.

Inflation is a global issue. Interest rates are set by the Fed, which is an independent agency. Dems do not control the economy. There were factors during the past 4 years outside of anyone’s control (e.g. supply chain issues and job losses due to COVID). And to the extent politicians can influence the economy, tariffs are not the way to make groceries or housing or education more affordable for the average American.

I agree that people care more about their wallets than the rights of others. But the sad thing is they’ve made a deal with the devil that isn’t even going to help them put food on the table. Do you really think billionaires like Trump and his supporters like Musk actually give a rat’s @$$ about some woman with 5 kids and a 7th grade education being able to afford eggs and gas?

Trump is a manipulator out for his own ego. There is a reason he won with the low information and less educated voters in this country. I’m sure at least half his base couldn’t even explain what the 3 branches of government do.

Gee, who wouldn’t be won over by that level of scorn? Maybe next election you could spit on them and see if it’s possible to alienate them further.

Honestly I don’t care about alienating them. I have nothing in common with people who would vote for a man found civically liable for rape and who makes jokes about groping women. If I never interact with these people I’m no worse off.

I guess the silver lining is Trump seems to be ok letting the SALT cap expire and hopefully my retirement accounts will do well. He will probably end up benefitting the people who didn’t vote for him while his supporters continue to struggle. But they’ll be getting what they voted for so I’m not going to care what happens to them now if they don’t seem to care.

In January we will officially be in the fool around and find out era.

As a white woman who's gone through menopause and lives in one of the "free states", I will be fine.

The Trump voters I know expressly voted for Trump to reduce prices (not realizing that the president can't do this easily) and because they want all immigrants of color (legal or illegal) out of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Our country was built by men at the altar of white supremacy. We have not done the work to dismantle that part and so we are doomed to this cycle.

We can only pray democracy holds. That's not what his next administration wants. They will spend the next 4 years rigging every election they can. Everyone was screaming the alarms and yet.

Don't forget, Hitler was voted into power through a fair and free election process.

It is fools like you that makes me smile and laugh at.
We've already had a Trump presidency and the country was in much better shape compared to the Biden/ Harris 4 year dumpster fire.

Then why did Trump lose 2020?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am an immigrant woman who voted for Trump. You white liberal women are crazy and tone-deaf. You don't understand nor live in reality. It's not misogyny or inflation. It's the simple fact that we're here to build a better life for our children and ourselves. You are not. You have ruined the normal merit-based function of a society. White supremacy indeed, just listen to yourself. We're fed up with your nepo sh*t, DEI of incompetence (just look at Kamala), trans in women sports, endless stream of illegals who reduce wages and crowd out schools, housing, medical care. You literally got everything wrong. There is a reason why young people voted for Trump and the reason is that they want to live a peaceful life, earn a normal living being able to afford a house and family, and not participate in your endless wars.

Stephen Miller is busy working on a plan to deport you as well…or did you miss that?

He is focused on getting rid of all the legal immigrants while others can focus on the illegals.

I actually am more in favor of deporting all the folks that are actually taking jobs from people vs the immigrants working in meatpacking factories or other jobs that nobody wants. You know…the workers we actually need.

That is his focus. First getting rid of all the H1 folks and then getting rid of you.

Standard American capital owner language lol....Cheap labor is good! Raise those wages oh wait that will affect my profit ok nevermind then

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t vote for Kamala because I thought Kamala would be an embarrassment to the country and women everywhere if she became president. I want someone who isn’t a blathering idiot to be the standard by which we elect women into the top job of this country. Someone like Gretchen Whitmer, as an example.

I also don’t agree with electing someone into office that I didn’t vote for in a primary. That is so wrong on so many levels and shouldn’t be tolerated from either side. I’m glad we didn’t allow that in the end, if I’m being honest.

This was going to be a case of “history repeating itself” either way: they have both had ample opportunity do good in office, and they have both failed. But we had a choice to make between two idiots. With “history” in the back of my mind, the age old question of “are we better off today than we were four years ago” played a role in my decision making, and, well, no. I’m sorry, but no, we aren’t better.

I don’t like either, but I know what to expect from both. If history is going to repeat itself, then so be it.

It is disingenous to say you didn't want a "blathering idiot" or that you would have preferred Whitmer and then to be okay with Trump becoming president. Trump is a blathering idiot and Whitmer wasn't on the ballot. You had two choices. You either voted for Trump (wholly unqualified for the job due to his performance the first time and behavior since, plus older than Biden was when Biden took office) or you didn't vote for anyone thus enabling Trump to win.

If you voted for no one I just think you are derelict in your duty as a citizen. If you voted for Trump I think misogyny HAD to play a role because even if you think Harris is unqualified there is no way she is less qualifed than Trump. Objectively. He is a bad person. He's corrupt. He failed to protect the country on J6. And he's too old.

I voted for Harris but I think you're missing some of the reasons people voted for Trump and they don't have anything to do with misogyny. I know a few women who voted for Trump (a very small percentage of my friends did) and I wouldn't call any of them misogynists. They were just less bothered by the things that bother you (and that bother me) and cared more about other things.

My only girlfriends who voted for Trump were voting primarily with abortion in mind. They are religious conservatives who are one-issue voters. I'm not defending them; I voted for Harris.