Is this an endorsement of misogyny or a reaction to feminism on some level?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t vote for Kamala because I thought Kamala would be an embarrassment to the country and women everywhere if she became president. I want someone who isn’t a blathering idiot to be the standard by which we elect women into the top job of this country. Someone like Gretchen Whitmer, as an example.

I also don’t agree with electing someone into office that I didn’t vote for in a primary. That is so wrong on so many levels and shouldn’t be tolerated from either side. I’m glad we didn’t allow that in the end, if I’m being honest.

This was going to be a case of “history repeating itself” either way: they have both had ample opportunity do good in office, and they have both failed. But we had a choice to make between two idiots. With “history” in the back of my mind, the age old question of “are we better off today than we were four years ago” played a role in my decision making, and, well, no. I’m sorry, but no, we aren’t better.

I don’t like either, but I know what to expect from both. If history is going to repeat itself, then so be it.

It is disingenous to say you didn't want a "blathering idiot" or that you would have preferred Whitmer and then to be okay with Trump becoming president. Trump is a blathering idiot and Whitmer wasn't on the ballot. You had two choices. You either voted for Trump (wholly unqualified for the job due to his performance the first time and behavior since, plus older than Biden was when Biden took office) or you didn't vote for anyone thus enabling Trump to win.

If you voted for no one I just think you are derelict in your duty as a citizen. If you voted for Trump I think misogyny HAD to play a role because even if you think Harris is unqualified there is no way she is less qualifed than Trump. Objectively. He is a bad person. He's corrupt. He failed to protect the country on J6. And he's too old.

I don’t like blathering idiots from either gender, but when it comes to the first female president, I don’t want her to be a blathering idiot like the men. I want her to be better. So I chose the idiot man we can expect instead of the idiot woman, just because, when I know we can do better. And I hope we learn a lesson and do better in four years.

I don’t understand how this is so hard to understand. We’ve come to expect idiot male presidents. Let’s not expect the same from women, in the name of “women”. Let’s do better than the men! Let’s EXPECT the women to not be idiots like the men. So yeah, for me, it was feminism. Probably not the feminism you’re familiar with, but strong, competent females.

Stop setting the bar impossibly high for women - it's yet another unrealistic standard.

You'd rather elect a criminal than an imperfect woman? That right there is misogyny. I'm so friggin tired of people setting the bar for female candidates so high. This perfect female candidate doesn't exist! It's not possible! Women are going to have gaffes, blunders, mistakes, flaws, and pasts just like the men. Just elect one already, instead of utterly inept men.

It's also completely illogical. She elected a completely incompetent man because the female candidate wasn't absolutely perfect. I have no words.

The word is: misogyny

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The way American women view men I think need to change. That whole crap I need a protector, a charismatic man needs to stop. You can protect yourself! They are approaching from the start from a position of inferiority.

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Anonymous wrote:The way American women view men I think need to change. That whole crap I need a protector, a charismatic man needs to stop. You can protect yourself! They are approaching from the start from a position of inferiority.

Is this even English? What are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain this to me? Why did some women in some of the southern states vote in favour of some of the abortion amendment but then voted against Harris. One hand they want to keep their right to abortion, but they don't see the need to vote for a woman as President.

My sister went full on MAGA when she moved to Florida. I am sure she is among those whom voted for that abortion amendment there but against Harris. Her Facebook is full of pro abortion materials and at the same time full of racist anti Kamala materials. I don't understand it. The amendment failed in Florida but I believe in other states other type of amendment that offered some kind of right to abortion successed

It failed only because Florida sets a 60% threshold for ballot initiatives. However it garnered 58% of the vote which was actually higher than all the other states that had a ballot initiative.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this an endorsement of misogyny or a reaction to feminism on some level? Men don't want things to change?

I know a few of my sons friends were voting for Trump and they said pretty much the same things that I’d read in a study about young male voters: Young men’s values align more closely with Democrats - they want protection for the environment, affordable housing and equality. However, the Democratic party makes them feel like they’re walking on eggshells. Even when they’re trying to do the right thing with equality they can end up in the circular firing squad.

I’d say its more a referendum on woke. As we make progress with equality there seems to be a pendulum effect. The pendulum is now swinging back in the other direction.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this an endorsement of misogyny or a reaction to feminism on some level? Men don't want things to change?

I know a few of my sons friends were voting for Trump and they said pretty much the same things that I’d read in a study about young male voters: Young men’s values align more closely with Democrats - they want protection for the environment, affordable housing and equality. However, the Democratic party makes them feel like they’re walking on eggshells. Even when they’re trying to do the right thing with equality they can end up in the circular firing squad.

I’d say its more a referendum on woke. As we make progress with equality there seems to be a pendulum effect. The pendulum is now swinging back in the other direction.

https://hbr.org/2023/01/research-what-fragile-masculinity-looks-like-at-work

“But when men feel that their masculinity (and thus, their autonomy) has been threatened, our research shows that they often attempt to reassert their sense of autonomy by engaging in harmful behaviors like lying, cheating, stealing, breaking rules, undermining colleagues, and withholding help. “

No wonder they like Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Politicians, economists and others often use GDP and its per capita counterpart as a good proxy for the economy. And it is. They also tlook at other figures such as job creation and unemployment rate to comment on the current state of the economy. Every now and then you also read articles in the media about 401k millionaires. These articles talk about averages as opposed to median to conclude people are on track doing well.

In the real world its a different story. We need to go beyond GDP and rosy job creation and unemployment figures to report on the millions of Americans who are STRUGGLING. These peoples' lives are not captured by GDP or the unemployment rate. These people are employed but severely underpaid with poor health insurance, not enough disposable income and poor job projects due to globalization about rapid advance in technology. The gain in productivity has not translated in higher salary for all.

People were really hit hard by inflation, rent increase, low pay etc.

Mr Trump is a salesman. Good salespeople identify your problem and swear up and down they have the solution to your problem. Sadly there is no easy solution for those millions of people at the bottom. And worse for them if the country is handed to over to wall street and big tech be ready for monopolies with its higher price, lack of data privacy, products such as drugs self driving cars rushed to the markets and on and on.

This is a very good perspective but Trump didn’t help these people during his four years in office. One simple example: his tax policies helped the wealthy and corporations, not the poor working person.

Right, but consider your audience there. All they know is that things cost more now than they did in 2020. Ergo, Biden was the problem, and Trump will fix things.

You aren't exactly going to have a complex conversation about how inflation actually works. People are looking at the price of milk and saying hey, it's higher now than four years ago, Biden must have been responsible for that. It's really that simple. Trump preys on this lack of knowledge and it obviously worked.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this an endorsement of misogyny or a reaction to feminism on some level? Men don't want things to change?

Yes. Stunned and angry.

The patriarchy will never give up control over women and other vulnerable beings. I believe at the core that is what the 2016 and this election are about.

Never!!

Back to the kitchen! Back to the birthing rooms!

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Anonymous wrote:It absolutely is. When you look at the list of countries that have elected a female leader, it's incredibly interesting.

The USA is one of the most misogynistic countries on the planet. We have to stop kidding ourselves.

Really?

I must be really oblivious because I don’t remember seeing American women stoned for not wearing hijab or attacked with acid because of infidelity. I wasn’t circumcised as a young girl and neither were my daughters. We have the options of marrying who and when we choose, if we choose to at all. We can pursue any educational or career path we want. I’ve even ridden the metro for years without any expectation of being groped.

I don’t know what planet you live on, but on my world it seems that women in other countries have much bigger problems with misogyny than losing the most competitive election in the nation.

The comment to which you're replying comes from someone who has never been anywhere but the US. Shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:It absolutely is. When you look at the list of countries that have elected a female leader, it's incredibly interesting.

The USA is one of the most misogynistic countries on the planet. We have to stop kidding ourselves.

Really?

I must be really oblivious because I don’t remember seeing American women stoned for not wearing hijab or attacked with acid because of infidelity. I wasn’t circumcised as a young girl and neither were my daughters. We have the options of marrying who and when we choose, if we choose to at all. We can pursue any educational or career path we want. I’ve even ridden the metro for years without any expectation of being groped.

I don’t know what planet you live on, but on my world it seems that women in other countries have much bigger problems with misogyny than losing the most competitive election in the nation.

The comment to which you're replying comes from someone who has never been anywhere but the US. Shocking.

Wrong! My parents were immigrants from two different continents - and from countries that have both elected female leaders. I guarantee that I've traveled far more extensively and broadly than you. There are some good things about this country - women's rights isn't one of them. And there is much we could learn from around the world.