WSJ -Sorry, Harvard. Everyone Wants to go to School in the South

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Better weather, better sports teams, solid education, no pro Hamas protests, great place for today’s growing number of conservative youth.
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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.


Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.


Cite?

You need a cite to show you that most kids are rejected from schools like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale? Have you been living under a rock?
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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.


Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?


Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.


Do you have a cite for this?


The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.


The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.


The entire northeast is 4% of Ole Miss…that’s the entire northeast. Yes, it’s a nominal number up from an even smaller nominal number.


Is Clemson nominal? https://www.clemson.edu/admissions/undergradu...ions-statistics.html


What’s the percentage and the number? For the story to hold it needs to apply to all the schools they mention, no?

If it doesn’t, then the article should say a very limited number of southern schools are popular, no?


You can do the math if you want. More kids are going south than ever before, even if those numbers were once small, they're growing. Sorry that bothers you.


So, you can’t answer the question? Do the work or not.

13% of Harvard is from Texas, Florida and NC.

Does that bother you?


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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.


Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.


Cite?

You need a cite to show you that most kids are rejected from schools like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale? Have you been living under a rock?


You need a cite to show that kids applying to Alabama also applied to HYP.
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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.


Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.


Cite?

You need a cite to show you that most kids are rejected from schools like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale? Have you been living under a rock?


You need a cite to show that kids applying to Alabama also applied to HYP.


I do…because I seriously doubt that you can prove more than a handful.
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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.


Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?


Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.


Do you have a cite for this?


The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.


The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.


The entire northeast is 4% of Ole Miss…that’s the entire northeast. Yes, it’s a nominal number up from an even smaller nominal number.


Is Clemson nominal? https://www.clemson.edu/admissions/undergradu...ions-statistics.html


What’s the percentage and the number? For the story to hold it needs to apply to all the schools they mention, no?

If it doesn’t, then the article should say a very limited number of southern schools are popular, no?


You can do the math if you want. More kids are going south than ever before, even if those numbers were once small, they're growing. Sorry that bothers you.


So, you can’t answer the question? Do the work or not.

13% of Harvard is from Texas, Florida and NC.

Does that bother you?




Again, more kids are going south than ever before, even if those numbers were once small, they're growing.
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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.


Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.


+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.
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Anonymous wrote:Whatever floats your boat.
But DD is not keen to go anywhere south due to the draconian abortion policies and I think that’s smart.

+1


Awful weather first for mine, followed by what you said


Add in the anti LGBTQ+ nonsense for my child

The farthest South we looked was a small school in Raleigh. My daughter didn’t even apply in the end (they had the latest deadline and she already had yesses). She wound up in MA after applying to 3 schools in VA, 2 in MI, 1 in PA, 1 in MA, and one in St Louis area (close to IL line - this was the only reason an exception was made)


My kid is at a big SEC school in a state that everyone in Dcumlandia seems to hate. While there is an immediate assumption that the community would be anti-LGBT, the reality is that it isn’t. We met a gay recruiter as soon as we arrived on campus (fun fact: they lived and worked in DC for a decade and prefer the SEC college town since people are friendlier and there’s a community vibe).

Don’t make assumptions without verifying the ground truth.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.


Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.


+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.


Why?
Anonymous
I am curious where the poster claiming youth are more conservative is getting their numbers for that

Because it is opposite of everything I have seen and read, and I actually keep up with polling
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.


Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.


You are just wrong, although likely too myopic to believe it.
Anonymous
The elite T20 schools will be fine even if a tsunami of northeast kids head south. The competition and desire for these schools will continue. It’s the middling, small, private colleges that give a lot of merit aid where the NE kids would have ended up that will suffer. I feel sorry for them but it is def driven by desire for fun instead of virtue signaling and social justice.
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Anonymous wrote:Whatever floats your boat.
But DD is not keen to go anywhere south due to the draconian abortion policies and I think that’s smart.

+1


Awful weather first for mine, followed by what you said


Add in the anti LGBTQ+ nonsense for my child

The farthest South we looked was a small school in Raleigh. My daughter didn’t even apply in the end (they had the latest deadline and she already had yesses). She wound up in MA after applying to 3 schools in VA, 2 in MI, 1 in PA, 1 in MA, and one in St Louis area (close to IL line - this was the only reason an exception was made)


My kid is at a big SEC school in a state that everyone in Dcumlandia seems to hate. While there is an immediate assumption that the community would be anti-LGBT, the reality is that it isn’t. We met a gay recruiter as soon as we arrived on campus (fun fact: they lived and worked in DC for a decade and prefer the SEC college town since people are friendlier and there’s a community vibe).

Don’t make assumptions without verifying the ground truth.


The ground truth is state laws are anti-LGBTQ+

That cannot be changed just because a specific school may be accepting
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.


Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.


You are just wrong, although likely too myopic to believe it.


+100
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My kid is at a SEC school.

Only 1 kid from their HS was there a handful of years ago. Then 2 went the next year. Then a handful the next year. And now nearly a dozen are visiting.

Social media and word of mouth are compelling.

I reserved judgment when my kid applied. The tour was impressive; they want smart kids from the north and rolled out the red carpet for us. My kid is thriving and having a blast.


Our experience exactly. I didn’t think these schools were serious consideration, but after the visit, I was sold. These schools are well-run and have a lot of money for research and well-paid professors. It has surpassed our expectations. The academic opportunities are amazing (DS is a junior and already has a prestigious job offer), but on top of that kids are just happy, the campus beautiful and the sports and community are a blast. And all for just about free with the scholarship! The WSJ article isn’t surprising at all.
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